Throw Grandma in Jail and Throw Away the Key?

[SkepticThinker]

That is all disgusting.

Agreed.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

The majority of Jews, especially the religious leaders, missed understanding the messianic prophecies being fulfilled in Jesus Christ.

I have never seen a single non-Christian agree with your comment. Virtually all skeptics, who have no dog in that hunt, agree. Why? One only need compare Old Testament messianic prophecy with the Gospels to see that the two are as disparate as the Genesis creation story and the science.

a picture at home tells it all of what happened at the Capitol!

It tells me plenty. That woman has the same values as these:

I have no empathy for such people. They are enemies. Too strong? What do we think any of those women think about liberals? I assure you that it is hostile. So when you talk about turning a blind eye to anybody like this, I strenuously object.

There's a meme going about, "She fooled around and found out." Actually, they use a different f-verb.

"The flagrant and simplistic nature of these bogus critiques suggests that Media Bias Fact Check is either inept and/or dishonest." Media Bias Fact Check: Incompetent or Dishonest? - Just Facts

Let's see what Media Bias Fact Check has to say about Just Facts Daily. Unlike JFD, this review avoids language like inept and dishonest - a red flag for me:

Just Facts Daily

• In summary, this is a factual website from a sourcing standpoint and impressively researched. It does, however, convey a right-leaning bias through story selection that is more favorable toward conservative causes and more negative toward liberal policy. We also rate Just Facts Daily Mixed for factual reporting based on a few failed fact checks.

In my faith, God is extending mercy every day.

How about the days he sends people to hell for eternity for not dancing to his tune? Like many other Christian apologists, you keep using words like love and mercy to describe acts that are the opposite.

so you are saying there was a fully organized conspiracy that included Grandma?

There was a criminal conspiracy, and Grandma was eager to play, even if she wasn't in on the planning. She is hardly innocent, and she is still lying about what she was doing there depicting herself as a journalist rather than an agitator. She interfered with police business. Journalists don't do that. And where is all of her footage and reporting?

But you want to give her a walk.

 

[InChrist]

Granny didn't die at 5 years old from cancer that your God created her with. A dead 5 year old from cancer, and that is your God being just?
.

Can’t blame God for cancer...

“The rebellion of Satan and man brought destruction to the entire order in the universe. The ongoing result has been natural disasters and a growing pool of disease and deformities among men and animals: “the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together...” (Rom:8:21, 22). Even some cells no longer follow the instructions encoded in the DNA, resulting in cancer.

In spite of overwhelming and indisputable evidence bombarding him daily, man refuses to obey his Creator. He is thus a spiritual cancer on the earth, doing “that which [is] right in his own eyes” (Judg 17:6).

God would be justified in wiping man from the earth—which He almost did with the flood. We would not be alive today had Noah not “found grace in the eyes of the LORD” (Gen:6:8). And why is God gracious and merciful to rebels? Only because of His boundless love revealed in Christ Jesus!”


God is Love

 

[InChrist]

I have never seen a single non-Christian agree with you comment. Other skeptics agree, who also have no dog in that hunt, agree. Why? One only need compare Old Testament messianic prophecy with the gospel to see that the two are as disparate as the Genesis creation story and the science.

And why should non-Christians or skeptics agree with my comments concerning Jesus Christ fulfillment of messianic prophecies? I never seen any agree, either....
...except those many non-Christians and skeptics who are saved by Jesus, born again as a new creation, have their eyes opened, then do understand and fully agree.

 

[F1fan]

Can’t blame God for cancer...

Really? God isn't the creator?

God doesn't have the power to cure children with cancer?

“The rebellion of Satan and man brought destruction to the entire order in the universe. The ongoing result has been natural disasters and a growing pool of disease and deformities among men and animals: “the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together...” (Rom:8:21, 22). Even some cells no longer follow the instructions encoded in the DNA, resulting in cancer.

In spite of overwhelming and indisputable evidence bombarding him daily, man refuses to obey his Creator. He is thus a spiritual cancer on the earth, doing “that which [is] right in his own eyes” (Judg 17:6).

God would be justified in wiping man from the earth—which He almost did with the flood. We would not be alive today had Noah not “found grace in the eyes of the LORD” (Gen:6:8). And why is God gracious and merciful to rebels? Only because of His boundless love revealed in Christ Jesus!”


God is Love

What created Satan that you blame for cancer? God.

 

[Kenny]

I merely asked a question about why you wanted more leniency.

I really don't think that was what the OP was about.

But in reference to your question... I personally don't think it was necessary to put her in prison although it is quite legal.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I really don't think that was what the OP was about.

But in reference to your question... I personally don't think it was necessary to put her in prison although it is quite legal.

She didn't learn the first time that she did this, and that was a protest to put the lives of others in danger. Do you think that she still did not realize what she did wrong the second time around? She may not have long to live on this world, but even if it is petty crimes a person can eventually earn a life prison sentence for them She tired to aid and abet in overthrowing our democracy and yo think that three months is too much?

 

[Kenny]

I have never seen a single non-Christian agree with you comment. Other skeptics agree, who also have no dog in that hunt, agree. Why? One only need compare Old Testament messianic prophecy with the gospel to see that the two are as disparate as the Genesis creation story and the science.

Maybe because when they agreed they became Christians?

 

[Kenny]

How about the days he sends people to hell for eternity for not dancing to his tune?.

Ohhh... what you are saying is that when a judge sends a murder to jail... it's the judge's fault. Horrible judges!

Got it!

 

[Subduction Zone]

Ohhh... what you are saying is that when a judge sends a murder to jail... it's the judge's fault. Horrible judges!

Got it!

Hardly comparable. A judge that sentenced a shoplifter to prison for life would be more just than your version of God.

 

[InChrist]

Really? God isn't the creator?

God doesn't have the power to cure children with cancer?


What created Satan that you blame for cancer? God.

God is eternal and eternity is the goal. The sufferings of this world, as difficult as they are at present, are temporary. God’s eternal plan includes freewill and He will not violate the gift He gave to those He created; angelic or human beings in this present age and time of decision.

“Many an atheist (or sincere seeker who is troubled by evil and suffering) throws in our faces, "You claim your God is all-powerful. Then why doesn't He stop evil and suffering? If He could and doesn't, He's a monster; if He can't, then He isn't all-powerful!" The atheist thinks he has us cornered.

The answer involves certain things which God cannot do.

But God is infinite in power, so there must be nothing He can't do! Really? The very fact that He is infinite in power means He cannot fail. There is much else which finite beings do all the time but which the infinite, absolutely sovereign God cannot do because He is God: lie, cheat, steal, sin, be mistaken, etc. In fact, much else that God cannot do is vital for us to understand in meeting challenges from skeptics.”

What a Sovereign God Cannot Do

 

[Revoltingest]

I really don't think that was what the OP was about.

But in reference to your question... I personally don't think it was necessary to put her in prison although it is quite legal.

It was necessary IMO.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It was necessary IMO.

Prison acts several ways. It is a punishment. It is a threat. It allows some a chance to reform and get educated, that is one are where our prison systems could do much better. As a preventive tool the threat of punishment in prison does work. It does not work for crimes of passion or crime of the mentally ill. But for your average citizen the threat of prison keeps many one the straight and narrow. This lady will probably not learn from her short stay. She did not learn when she got in trouble earlier. They are not going to be able to reeducate such a deluded woman in only three months. But it still serves at least as a punishment and a threat to others that would possibly think of acting this way again. When you are willing to punish everyone that was part of a major crime very few people will chance it a second time around.

 

[Secret Chief]

Prison acts several ways. It is a punishment. It is a threat. It allows some a chance to reform and get educated, that is one are where our prison systems could do much better. As a preventive tool the threat of punishment in prison does work. It does not work for crimes of passion or crime of the mentally ill. But for your average citizen the threat of prison keeps many one the straight and narrow. This lady will probably not learn from her short stay. She did not learn when she got in trouble earlier. They are not going to be able to reeducate such a deluded woman in only three months. But it still serves at least as a punishment and a threat to others that would possibly think of acting this way again. When you are willing to punish everyone that was part of a major crime very few people will chance it a second time around.

Is it too soon to mention Hitler being convicted and imprisoned for the Beer Hall Putsch?

 

[Revoltingest]

Prison acts several ways. It is a punishment. It is a threat. It allows some a chance to reform and get educated, that is one are where our prison systems could do much better. As a preventive tool the threat of punishment in prison does work. It does not work for crimes of passion or crime of the mentally ill. But for your average citizen the threat of prison keeps many one the straight and narrow. This lady will probably not learn from her short stay. She did not learn when she got in trouble earlier. They are not going to be able to reeducate such a deluded woman in only three months. But it still serves at least as a punishment and a threat to others that would possibly think of acting this way again. When you are willing to punish everyone that was part of a major crime very few people will chance it a second time around.

I think she & other grannies (& granpas) learned
that to engage in insurrection will mean prison time.
Age & cancer won't get them off the hook.

Oh, I agree that prison should be more about
improving the inmate...not merely brutalizing them.

 

[F1fan]

God is eternal and eternity is the goal. The sufferings of this world, as difficult as they are at present, are temporary. God’s eternal plan includes freewill and He will not violate the gift He gave to those He created; angelic or human beings in this present age and time of decision.

“Many an atheist (or sincere seeker who is troubled by evil and suffering) throws in our faces, "You claim your God is all-powerful. Then why doesn't He stop evil and suffering? If He could and doesn't, He's a monster; if He can't, then He isn't all-powerful!" The atheist thinks he has us cornered.

The answer involves certain things which God cannot do.

Really, God can't do certain things? Let's see the list, and your source.

But God is infinite in power, so there must be nothing He can't do! Really?

Well which is it? God has infinite power or is limited? You can't claim it both ways.

The very fact that He is infinite in power means He cannot fail. There is much else which finite beings do all the time but which the infinite, absolutely sovereign God cannot do because He is God: lie, cheat, steal, sin, be mistaken, etc. In fact, much else that God cannot do is vital for us to understand in meeting challenges from skeptics.”

What a Sovereign God Cannot Do

So can God cure children of cancer? These genetic defects haso there must be nothing He can't do! Really?so there must be nothing He can't do! Really?ened in God's creation, and the buck stop with the Creator. So God created the genetic defects that cause cancers, but can God cure these diseases? If so, which doesn't God cure those kids diagnosed? parents ray to God, but end uso there must be nothing He can't do! Really? Going to cancer treatment centers and hoe the doctors are better able to cure the cancer than God.

From your source:

It is a fallacy to imagine that for God to be in control of His universe He must therefore foreordain and initiate everything. Thus He causes sin, then punishes the sinner. To justify this view, it is argued that "God is under no obligation to extend His grace to those whom He predestines to eternal judgment." In fact, however, obligation has no relationship to grace.​

Looks to be an excuse to justify belief in an all powerful God, but leave loopholes to explain why God acts as if he doesn't exist.

 

[F1fan]

Is it too soon to mention Hitler being convicted and imprisoned for the Beer Hall Putsch?

And it was a rather pleasant environment. Hitler had a typewriter and wrote Mien Kampf in Spandau. And he met others, like Hess, who would become part of the Nazi party.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

And why should non-Christians or skeptics agree with my comments concerning Jesus Christ fulfillment of messianic prophecies?

They shouldn't. The evidence doesn't support the claim. Only if it did could we say that skeptics ought to agree.

Maybe because when they agreed they became Christians?

Who's going to read Old Testament messianic prophecy and the Gospels, and be convinced that one anticipates the other? My point is that such words don't convince anybody. The people who say that the two are in concordance were already Christian when they said that.

This is analogous to several other Christian claims such as that Genesis anticipated science, or that the US Constitution is rooted in the principles of Christianity, or that humanism is an offshoot of Christianity, or that science is a Christian invention because so many early scientists were Christian. All one need do is compare the two in each case to see that they are unrelated. In the case of messianic prophecy, one need only assemble the relevant OT and NT scriptures, and compare them. There's virtually no overlap.

These arguments can't convince a critical thinker, because he's evidence based in his beliefs. He uses evidence to arrive at his beliefs, not the other way around. In the case of messianic prophecy, the evidence contradicts the Christian claim that it foretells of Christ, and supports the Jewish interpretation that it does not. And that scriptural evidence cannot convince or convert a critical thinker as you suggest. Who looks at those words open-mindedly and comes up with the Christian version? Nobody, because it's impossible. One has to already believe by faith that one foretells the other to see those scriptures as confirmation.

I'd go over the details of the discrepancies, but I doubt that you would be interested, and I've already seen the apologetics, which aren't convincing.

what you are saying is that when a judge sends a murder to jail... it's the judge's fault.

No. I am saying that a deity who keeps a soul conscious after death for the sole purpose of gratuitously tormenting it forever for not sufficiently submitting to a particular religion's doctrine cannot be called merciful. Maybe you'd like to address that. Do you disagree? If so, on what basis?

 

[Wildswanderer]

I think she & other grannies (& granpas) learned
that to engage in insurrection will mean prison time.
Age & cancer won't get them off the hook.

Oh, I agree that prison should be more about
improving the inmate...not merely brutalizing them.

Then all those who participated in the BLM riots should be in prison also, but they aren't.

 

[Secret Chief]

And it was a rather pleasant environment. Hitler had a typewriter and wrote Mien Kampf in Spandau. And he met others, like Hess, who would become part of the Nazi party.

And of course he was sentenced to five years for treason, but was pardoned and released after little more than a year. (I think he was in Landsberg prison...mainly it seems to dictate Mein Kampf to Hess...who was in Spandau post-war )