Thumbs Up: Court Rules the Old Rugged Cross Must Come Down

[Altfish]

Can you prove that a santanic religion is part of the Constitution, When in fact the Founding fathers were Christians.
Now why would a Religion And moral Christians have anything to do with a santanic religion.

It is the same place in the constitution that Christianity is recognised,

I would argue that Satanists are more moral than Christians, I prefer their 7 Fundamental Tenants to the 10 Commandments any day...just in case you haven't read them, here they are: -

• One should strive to act with compassion and empathy towards all creatures in accordance with reason.

• The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.

• One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.

• The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo your own.

• Beliefs should conform to our best scientific understanding of the world. We should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit our beliefs.

• People are fallible. If we make a mistake, we should do our best to rectify it and resolve any harm that may have been caused.

• Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word

 

[Altfish]

Oh, people like you who hate the very idea of God's righteousness prevailing, of course.

How can you hate someone that you don't believe in?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

That budget that your referring to. Can not over ride the 1st Amendment of the Constitution which was set in place by the founding fathers

Indeed. This is why the cross was illegal and why it's being challenged now.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Look , if we let the Government to do what they are doing whether it be a cross or any other thing.
Once the Government starts there will be No stopping the Government of over running the people.
The Constitution for the people's protection from the Government over running people.

The cross is only a step for the Government to over ride our Constitutional Rights as a People.
What's Next in Line. Your Constitutional rights of what you do or where you go or what you own or what you eat and don't eat.
Once the Government starts, the Government will not stop, until it has full control over People.

I have no idea what triggered your rant. Maybe if you give some specifics of yor concerns, I'll be able to figure out what the heck you're talking about.

 

[Faithofchristian]

It is the same place in the constitution that Christianity is recognised,

I would argue that Satanists are more moral than Christians, I prefer their 7 Fundamental Tenants to the 10 Commandments any day...just in case you haven't read them, here they are: -

• One should strive to act with compassion and empathy towards all creatures in accordance with reason.

• The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.

• One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.

• The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo your own.

• Beliefs should conform to our best scientific understanding of the world. We should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit our beliefs.

• People are fallible. If we make a mistake, we should do our best to rectify it and resolve any harm that may have been caused.

• Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word

Yeah and that is exactly what your doing.

Read what you posted in the 4th post.
That is exactly what your doing. Trying to defeat the 1st Amendment to the Constitution.

Are you freaking kidding me, Why would the founding fathers support a Religion that goes against what they believe as a Christian.

All those things you posted is exactly what
Satan stands by and what got mankind in the mess we're in.

Looking to self, and not care about anyone else.

You give Respect to people and you get Respect back.
What goes around comes around.

Whatever you dish out, you will get dish back at you

 

[Faithofchristian]

Indeed. This is why the cross was illegal and why it's being challenged now.

That Cross is not Illegal.

The 1st Amendment to the Constitution says --- "Congress shall not make no law Respecting an establishment of Religion or Prohibiting the free Exercise Thereof"


Therefore that cross is not Illegal.
But a free Exercise of my Religion.
To have there as a Christian free exercise of their Religion.

 

[Faithofchristian]

I have no idea what triggered your rant. Maybe if you give some specifics of yor concerns, I'll be able to figure out what the heck you're talking about.

When the U.S. 4th Court of Appeals, try to say that cross is unconstitutional.

That cross is not unconstitutional. But the U.S. 4th Court of Appeals is in violation of the
1st Amendment of the Constitution which states -- "Congress shall not make no law respecting a establishment of Religion,
or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

Therefore that cross is a christian Constitutional 1st Amendment Right of free Exercise. That no part of the Government can Prohibit.

 

[blü 2]

Think about tombstones with religious imagery in public cemeteries. Surely making an exception for those would go without saying.

But they're part of a miscellany.

This is a humdinger and the maintenance bill is met by the public.

The solution is easy. Fans can move it onto private land and pay for its upkeep themselves.

(I speak as one who strongly favors keeping religious matters and images out of government schools; but I'm largely indifferent to them in adult contexts, unless they're noisy or intrusive or no one else is allowed to play.)

 

[ImmortalFlame]

When the U.S. 4th Court of Appeals, try to say that cross is unconstitutional.

That cross is not unconstitutional. But the U.S. 4th Court of Appeals is in violation of the
1st Amendment of the Constitution which states -- "Congress shall not make no law respecting a establishment of Religion,
or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

Therefore that cross is a christian Constitutional 1st Amendment Right of free Exercise. That no part of the Government can Prohibit.

Except it isn't a private or personal expression of belief. It's a monument built and maintained by taxes that has been erected on government land. It's actually a violation of the first amendment, since it is public money and government property being used for the purpose of promoting specifically Christian iconography.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

That Cross is not Illegal.

I hope you'll understand if I give the legal opinion of three federal appeals court judges more weight than yours.

The 1st Amendment to the Constitution says --- "Congress shall not make no law Respecting an establishment of Religion or Prohibiting the free Exercise Thereof"


Therefore that cross is not Illegal.
But a free Exercise of my Religion.
To have there as a Christian free exercise of their Religion.

It's your exercise of religion? Were you the one who put it up?

The government putting that cross on public land was an establishment of religion. That makes the cross illegal.

 

[DavidFirth]

How can you hate someone that you don't believe in?

There are those that do.

 

[Altfish]

Yeah and that is exactly what your doing.

Read what you posted in the 4th post.
That is exactly what your doing. Trying to defeat the 1st Amendment to the Constitution.

Are you freaking kidding me, Why would the founding fathers support a Religion that goes against what they believe as a Christian.

All those things you posted is exactly what
Satan stands by and what got mankind in the mess we're in.

Looking to self, and not care about anyone else.

You give Respect to people and you get Respect back.
What goes around comes around.

Whatever you dish out, you will get dish back at you

I didn't make the #4th post??

I respect anyone, but am happy to point out errors. Although what respect has to do with this discussion is beyond me??
I am NOT trying to defeat the 1st Amendment to the Constitution; I asked you where in the constitution Christianity is mentioned, you cannot show me. Because it is NOT mentioned.
The fact that the founding father who drafted it were Christian is irrelevant. They may all have had beards but it doesn't mean all US citizens cannot be clean shaven,

What have I dished out?

Looks like Satan is winning at the moment

 

[Altfish]

There are those that do.

More fool them.

 

[Faithofchristian]

I hope you'll understand if I give the legal opinion of three federal appeals court judges more weight than yours.


It's your exercise of religion? Were you the one who put it up?

The government putting that cross on public land was an establishment of religion. That makes the cross illegal.

I want you to put forth to show where the Government put that cross up.
That cross was put up a little over a hundred years ago.
By the people.

As of a matter of fact it does make any difference where that cross put at.

The Government can not make no law prohibiting the free Exercise thereof.

Therefore it doesn't make no difference where that cross is at.

 

[DavidFirth]

More fool them.

I am sure they note your opinion.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

The Government can not make no law prohibiting the free Exercise thereof.

This isn't free exercise. It's a monument paid for by the government and maintained with taxes.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

When the U.S. 4th Court of Appeals, try to say that cross is unconstitutional.

That cross is not unconstitutional. But the U.S. 4th Court of Appeals is in violation of the
1st Amendment of the Constitution which states -- "Congress shall not make no law respecting a establishment of Religion,
or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

Therefore that cross is a christian Constitutional 1st Amendment Right of free Exercise. That no part of the Government can Prohibit.

Just so we're clear: do you interpret the First Amendment to mean that Christians - but only Christians - should be allowed to do whatever they want in the name of their religion? Because that's how you're coming across to me.

 

[Faithofchristian]

This isn't free exercise. It's a monument paid for by the government and maintained with taxes.

As to how do you know that cross was put there by the Government and paid for with taxes.
When in fact you were not there over hundred years ago.to know these things.

I know that anything that was done, like that cross was done by Christians back at that time hundred years ago.

All because you would have to look at those people back then, we're more in line with the Christians beliefs. And being Christians themselves, To have put that cross there.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

As to how do you know that cross was put there by the Government and paid for with taxes.
When in fact you were not there over hundred years ago.to know these things.

"The memorial was completed in 1925 using contributions from private donors and the American Legion. In 1961, the Maryland-National Capital Park and Planning Commission acquired the monument and the land it sits on, and has spent $117,000 to maintain and repair the cross. In 2008, an additional $100,000 was set aside for future reparations."
SOURCE: Court: Cross-shaped WWI memorial is unconstitutional - CNNPolitics

I know that anything that was done, like that cross was done by Christians back at that time hundred years ago.

Using public money on public land and maintained through tax-payer's money.

All because you would to look at those people back then, we're more in line with the Christians beliefs.

Do you understand what the First Amendment means?

 

[Revoltingest]

I know what you are saying. However, just lately a sanitation philosophy has been activated that takes away statues and famous things from the past, also, isn't this cross quite old, like nearly a 100 years. (I didn't read the news, just got a glimpse of something),

This kind of ideology is too reminiscent of the Muslim mind set -- which I detest. I agree that in some places in Europe where there is a church in every village where perhaps 5 out of 10 no longer serve a purpose should be re-purposed, and some taken down if they force too high a cost to the community. Still, history should be treasured. Even history as young as plus 50 years.

This differs from the Muslim fanatics in that it's merely to be moved, not destroyed.
Blame the Constitution....the state shouldn't be promoting a chosen religion...
....or any religion. So even historical wrongs should be righted.