metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
My wife just yelled down that they picked up an explosion, but I don't know any of the details for now.
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Titanic tourist submersible: Search for missing vessel has covered over 10,000 square miles
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Very sad. I hope any future expeditions include necessary precautions to avoid reoccurrence of such a disaster.
May all five people rest in peace.
One tests pressure (internal) vessels hydrostatically.
Using water means low potential energy if it fails,
ie, no explosion. It's tested to well above rated
operating pressure.
The same approach can be applied to submersibles.
Fill it 99.9+% with water so there's very little air volume,
but there's room for hull compression without affecting
interior pressure. Use pressure transducers to monitor
it during descent (unoccupied) to well below rated
operating depth. Then inspect it using non-destructive
methods to verify condition.
We Never Know
No Slack
I don't know if this has been posted or not. Count me out.
"In November, CBS News aired a report from a journalist who read the waiver he had to sign before going on Titan that identified it as "an experimental submersible vessel that has not been approved or certified by any regulatory body which could result in physical injury, emotional trauma or death."
Missing Titanic sub: experts raised safety concerns about OceanGate Titan in 2018
Experts raised safety concerns in 2018 about the submersible vessel that has been missing since Sunday, when it descended with tourists on a deep ocean journey to view the wreckage of the Titanic.
I don't know how the company tested it, but they were apparently warned about safety issues and fired an employee over the warning:
Titan submersible maker OceanGate faced safety lawsuit in 2018: "Potential danger to passengers"
Court documents show that the company fired an employee who raised concerns about the underwater vessel's design.
www.cbsnews.com
I don't know if this has been posted or not. Count me out.
"In November, CBS News aired a report from a journalist who read the waiver he had to sign before going on Titan that identified it as "an experimental submersible vessel that has not been approved or certified by any regulatory body which could result in physical injury, emotional trauma or death."
Missing Titanic sub: experts raised safety concerns about OceanGate Titan in 2018
Experts raised safety concerns in 2018 about the submersible vessel that has been missing since Sunday, when it descended with tourists on a deep ocean journey to view the wreckage of the Titanic.www.reuters.com
You beat me by a few minutes.
I wouldn't need any disclosure to know to avoidI don't know if this has been posted or not. Count me out.
"In November, CBS News aired a report from a journalist who read the waiver he had to sign before going on Titan that identified it as "an experimental submersible vessel that has not been approved or certified by any regulatory body which could result in physical injury, emotional trauma or death."
Missing Titanic sub: experts raised safety concerns about OceanGate Titan in 2018
Experts raised safety concerns in 2018 about the submersible vessel that has been missing since Sunday, when it descended with tourists on a deep ocean journey to view the wreckage of the Titanic.
spending many hours in a crowded coffin down
at deadly pressures.
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I know. I posted a link to the warnings by 2 former workers.
But we don't yet know if this was mere difference of opinion
about balancing cost vs time vs performance vs safety. Or
reckless. New technology with a very dangerous application
isn't something with perfectly knowable results.
Beware viewing past events with 20/20 hindsight.
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Father Heathen
Veteran Member
I suspect that this will be the company's last expedition.
They were told in 2018 about severe safety issues with the Titan.
They fired the guy.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I'm hearing now they found it and it had imploded.
abcnews.go.com
At least it was a quick death.
US Coast Guard says missing submersible imploded near the wreckage of the Titanic, likely no survivors
US Coast Guard says missing submersible imploded near the wreckage of the Titanic, likely no survivors
At least it was a quick death.
Two workers who criticized some safety aspects
is reason to investigate, but it's not significant
without thorough analysis of the specific criticisms.
Safety is always balanced with cost, schedule, &
performance. It's how astronauts travel into space
with few deaths....but there are still deaths.
I observed that safety was balanced against
schedule & performance. But to guarantee no
deaths, performance would have to be eliminated.
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Too many thoughts on this....so pardon my muddle...
OceanGate was warned, and weren't careful enough -- others have gone 3 times as deep (Mariannas Trench). Let's learn to test better, take better care, rather than (as in this case) just make people sign waivers in case of horrible catastrophe.
I'm sorry these people died,d I really am. I feel for those who loved them. I hope their deaths don't discourage the human impulse to discover, even when there's risk.
It's fascinating that as of today, more people have been in space than have visited the Titanic wreck site. Our own planet can be more difficult to conquer than getting off it.
OceanGate was warned, and weren't careful enough -- others have gone 3 times as deep (Mariannas Trench). Let's learn to test better, take better care, rather than (as in this case) just make people sign waivers in case of horrible catastrophe.
I'm sorry these people died,d I really am. I feel for those who loved them. I hope their deaths don't discourage the human impulse to discover, even when there's risk.
It's fascinating that as of today, more people have been in space than have visited the Titanic wreck site. Our own planet can be more difficult to conquer than getting off it.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
True but from what I'm gathering they didn't even design in accordance with designs that are intended to be that deep.
I saw your other post.
This guy was hired to be responsible for the safety of the project.
He was simply asking for more testing.
Yes, I've ran into it before. People with experience pointing out safety concerns and management choosing to ignore it because of costs.
Usually doesn't turn out well. Fortunately no one killed but injuries have resulted.
Hopefully we can learn something from this, or for those that make these cut cutting decisions with regard to safety.
You think to save money but it ends up costing you more.
I've heard of similar cases, such as the building collapse in Iowa recently, and another in Miami a couple of years ago. Or the executives at Firestone who knew of a defective tire but calculated that it would be cheaper to pay off lawsuits than it would to implement a recall.
How is that known?
To judge whether that was the best
course requires more info than I have.
Since this was an effort by a small outfit doing something
radically different with great risks, it's hard to say where
the balance should be between safety, testing, cost,
scheduling, etc. It only became obvious that safety
was inadequate when it imploded.
What do you think of my testing proposal?