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Titanic tourist submersible: Search for missing vessel has covered over 10,000 square miles

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
How is that known?
Something about a carbonfiber construction that isn't the norm for that depth.
I'm a total layman with this exact stuff so I just know what I've been reading. So I don't know how it works but apparently some voiced concern over it.
That and I know for some reason being in a submarine and submerged under water scares me. It's not a claustrophobia thing, it's all that water and depth and pressure that scares me more than any situation I've been in onthe road.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
Something about a carbonfiber construction that isn't the norm for that depth.
I'm a total layman with this exact stuff so I just know what I've been reading. So I don't know how it works but apparently some voiced concern over it.
That and I know for some reason being in a submarine and submerged under water scares me. It's not a claustrophobia thing, it's all that water and depth and pressure that scares me more than any situation I've been in onthe road.
I read something about the pressure at different depths can cause/caused microcracks and each dive would/did make them weaker.
 
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Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Our own planet can be more difficult to conquer than getting off it.
That's because it's silly humans who think of it as conquerable. We are guests in environments utterly unsurvivable to us and entirely unconquerable. Space just happens to provide for the best navigation views we've ever had and lacks the colossal pressures of the deep seas.
Though from articles I've been reading we may have the ocean floors mapped out too before too long given how new scanning technology has already located a number of missing ships, this one remaarkably quick.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
At those depths new designs aren't really a good idea until it's been very rigorously tested.
From concerns raised it seems the company was begging for disaster.
Now we know safety was inadequate.
We can't claim that this was known
before catastrophic failure.

Let's try something....
The country plans to send people to
Mars. Will it be safe in your opinion?
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Now we know safety was inadequate.
We can't claim that this was known
before catastrophic failure.

Let's try something....
The country plans to send people to
Mars. Will it be safe in your opinion?
It will be very risky. But unlike this submarine the basic concepts will have been tested again and again. Look how long the ISS has been up. It is a continual experiment of construction materials in space.

This submarine concept should have been repeatedly tested with drones at that depth. Or if not that they should have worked their way down and then Analyzed the materials. If this was the first use of carbon fiber for this sort of usage then they were begging for a catastrophe. Modern submarines have quite the history. They started as vessels that only dove tens of feet. They knew from past failures how deep that they could go and what the effects of repeated submersion and surfacing would do. When one has a totally new material all of that knowledge is nonexistent.
 

ADigitalArtist

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
At least a few people have said it was inadequate and there were major concerns about its safety.
And at least one director was fired for raising safety concerns (and sued for it). Calling the subs 'milliseconds from implosion.'
Some of the integral parts were literally bought at camping world because custom parts would have been too expensive. A whistleblower raised safety concerns about OceanGate’s submersible in 2018. Then he was fired.

I'm glad they died without pain. But there is a tragic irony of three billionaires (and one of their kids, the saddest part) traveling to the mass grave of the mostly poor people in third class on the Titanic who died in droves, in a ****ty tin can they paid the equivalent of two sandwich budgets to a fraud who has had to pull out of multiple expeditions due to safety concerns, piloted with a knock-off Logitech gaming controller.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
At least a few people have said it was inadequate and there were major concerns about its safety.
People are always saying things.
Doesn't mean they know what they're talking about.
I once knew a guy who said his job in the Navy was
diving to salvage alien technology.
So I prefer to see analysis.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
It will be very risky. But unlike this submarine the basic concepts will have been tested again and again. Look how long the ISS has been up. It is a continual experiment of construction materials in space.

This submarine concept should have been repeatedly tested with drones at that depth. Or if not that they should have worked their way down and then Analyzed the materials. If this was the first use of carbon fiber for this sort of usage then they were begging for a catastrophe. Modern submarines have quite the history. They started as vessels that only dove tens of feet. They knew from past failures how deep that they could go and what the effects of repeated submersion and surfacing would do. When one has a totally new material all of that knowledge is nonexistent.
The Titan had already visited the Titanic several times.
We don't know how the designers balanced safety,
cost, & performance. Armchair critics with 20/20
hindsight know it failed, but don't understand the
design process. I don't understand their design
process, so I cannot judge their choices.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
And at least one director was fired for raising safety concerns (and sued for it). Calling the subs 'milliseconds from implosion.'
Some of the integral parts were literally bought at camping world because custom parts would have been too expensive. A whistleblower raised safety concerns about OceanGate’s submersible in 2018. Then he was fired.

I'm glad they died without pain. But there is a tragic irony of three billionaires (and one of their kids, the saddest part) traveling to the mass grave of the mostly poor people in third class on the Titanic who died in droves, in a ****ty tin can they paid the equivalent of two sandwich budgets to a fraud who has had to pull out of multiple expeditions due to safety concerns, piloted with a knock-off Logitech gaming controller.
Yeah. It's why building and safety codes are good things and shirking safety is not a good idea, especially in such an extremely dangerous environment. The margins for error are less than razor thin and risks very high. There's just no valid excuse or reason to do less than the standard for such a dangerous trip.
Amd the irony has not escaped me. Once again disaster struck because safety was eschewed, sending those very wealthy men to a grave shared by poor people who also died as a cost of the "elites" putting profits before people.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
The Titan had already visited the Titanic several times.
We don't know how the designers balanced safety,
cost, & performance. Armchair critics with 20/20
hindsight know it failed, but don't understand the
design process. I don't understand their design
process, so I cannot judge their choices.
Why when others working with it amd for the company said it's not safe?
 

ADigitalArtist

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Yeah. It's why building and safety codes are good things and shirking safety is not a good idea, especially in such an extremely dangerous environment. The margins for error are less than razor thin and risks very high. There's just no valid excuse or reason to do less than the standard for such a dangerous trip.
Amd the irony has not escaped me. Once again disaster struck because safety was eschewed, sending those very wealthy men to a grave shared by poor people who also died as a cost of the "elites" putting profits before people.
Also if you're going to name your submersible anything, I'd have avoided the mythological group famously thrown into the deep abyss due to their own hubris to be tortured for eternity.

But that's just me.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
People are always saying things.
Doesn't mean they know what they're talking about.
I once knew a guy who said his job in the Navy was
diving to salvage alien technology.
So I prefer to see analysis.
Except this was multiple people who had knowledge of these craft and their designs. Amf they pointed to things that others who arw knowledgeable have been saying it probably sprang a leak from growing microcracks and less than a very brief moment later five people were dead.
It's kind of like all those engineers amd building experts who explained why and how the Twin Towers came down due to the airplane impacts and fire damage amd definitely wasn't a controlled demolition.
 
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