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To The Anti Gay Religious

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Sure. Do you choose who you sleep with? (Going on the presumption that you have sex).
Bisexuality can be an example of someone horn without discretionary assets. Like those who are born without a conscience because the conscience center in their frontal lobe is in deficit.

Or, it could be they have a sexual disorder, like those who are sex addicts, and they're bisexual simply because they're happy to satisfy their addiction by any possible option.

Either way, its a choice to act on the compulsion. Otherwise, someone is simply an unconsciously acting out sexually. And that in itself is a disorder.

Wow! What stupidity! A bisexual is just a person who is or can be attracted to men, women and possibly gender variant people. It doesn't mean you want to screw everyone. Just that what gender your partner is isn't a big deal to you. But we still have our types and preferences like everyone else does.

Do you feel a compulsion to have sex with men? Is that what sexuality is to you? A compulsion to bang someone? :areyoucra
 

suncowiam

Well-Known Member
You're transsexual and bisexual. Interesting mix that. Born into one body/sex, believe there is another sex inhabiting your body. While sexually active with both male and female.

Perhaps you should revoke the Luciferian hedonistic carnal myth that allows you to exploit those things and find some peace in your life.

You have no choice? I've never met a situation where I have no choice. No one has.

Hey,

There are situations with no choice. That's why genetics is brought up. You can bring up various conditions like drawfism.

I don't know what the truth is, but...

Why can't gays/lesbians define this for themselves? They have first-hand experience. Anyone outside, is for sure assuming the position.

And then, what if it is a choice? I don't see why it's such a big deal if genetics or choice is involved.
 

ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
Sure. Do you choose who you sleep with? (Going on the presumption that you have sex).
Bisexuality can be an example of someone horn without discretionary assets. Like those who are born without a conscience because the conscience center in their frontal lobe is in deficit.
You do realize that people can be attracted to both genders but still have preferences with regards to their specific partner, right? Just as being attracted to women doesn't mean you're attracted to ALL women.

Or, it could be they have a sexual disorder, like those who are sex addicts, and they're bisexual simply because they're happy to satisfy their addiction by any possible option.
Just because you're attracted to both men and women doesn't mean you're an insatiable sex machine. I know multiple people who are bisexual and yet practically celibate.

Either way, its a choice to act on the compulsion. Otherwise, someone is simply an unconsciously acting out sexually. And that in itself is a disorder.
Since you do not understand the difference between a sexual preference and actual nymphomania, you are in no position to lecture anyone about any kind of disorder.
 

Apple Sugar

Active Member
And what of it? Trans men and trans women can be of any sexual orientation. Most of us are straight, but plenty of us are gay, lesbian, bisexual/pansexual and asexual, as well.
All transsexuals are gay. Or they're bisexual. They're not straight.



Actually, I'm not sexually active with anyone (but myself, lol). Stop assuming.
I don't assume. I go by what you tell me about your sexual choices.



What makes you think I'm not at peace? I'm quite at peace with my gender reality and sexual orientation.
OK



Nope. Gender identity is decided by brain structure and sexual orientation is not a choice. You don't choose to be male or female or gay, straight or bi. You just are.
Didn't say gender identity is a choice. But you are saying it is a mental disorder. I quite agree.
 

ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
Compulsions and acting on them are the issue.
No. Sexual preference is the issue, and sexual preference is not "a compulsion".

Choosing to eat isn't at all relevant to the comparative analogy. And choosing to breathe is a desperate attempt at comparison. When you don't know the difference between compulsion and the involuntary nervous system and organ function you make a very weak argument here.
You said that you'd "never met a situation where you had no choice". I've laid out some examples. It's really quite simple: You don't CHOOSE who to be attracted to anymore than you CHOOSE to need to eat, or sleep, or breathe, or believe certain things. These are not choices - they ARE involuntary. The comparison is apt, and the fact that you don't think it is is only an indication of your lack of understanding of the subject.
 
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Apple Sugar

Active Member
Hey,

There are situations with no choice. That's why genetics is brought up. You can bring up various conditions like drawfism.

I don't know what the truth is, but...

Why can't gays/lesbians define this for themselves? They have first-hand experience. Anyone outside, is for sure assuming the position.

And then, what if it is a choice? I don't see why it's such a big deal if genetics or choice is involved.
Yours is like the involuntary nervous system and organ argument. Fails to realize what was being discussed.
In this case of choice that was being discussed, as I obviously mistakenly thought everyone knew, referred to conscious first person options and discrimination.
I was wrong in assuming people knew that. My mistake.
 

Apple Sugar

Active Member
No. Sexual preference is the issue, and sexual preference is not "a compulsion".
Of course it is. Compulsion refers to the drive a person has. Maybe look up the word.


It's really quite simple: You don't CHOOSE who to be attracted to anymore than you CHOOSE to need to eat, or sleep, or breathe, or believe certain things. These are not choices - they ARE involuntary. The comparison is apt, and the fact that you don't think it is is only an indication of your lack of understanding of the subject.
What do you say about bisexuals? Their libido is active toward both sexes without discrimination.
I've spoken with a woman who in a group setting of women where she felt safe said she chose to be a lesbian. Because in her past she'd been horrifically abused by the men in her family.
I've met gay men who said they felt safer sexing men because they were raised by a family of overbearing women, no dad in the picture.

I choose not to dismiss those people and their accounts. Especially when they choose to lay down with those they say they chose due to those life experiences.
The outrage being demonstrated in this thread, which I admit was stoked to prove a prior point regarding those who profess themselves to be ex-gays and the bigotry, hate, intolerance and discrimination they suffer for it, proves that gay tolerance hypocrisy exists when it comes to those who are ex-gay. Or who profess themselves to choose to be gay for whatever reason. (Two examples I provided included).

Many who identify as gay, when they go back into their past experiences in their formative years, find they had horrific traumatic experiences with same sex or opposite sex adults. And their life choices in future are a reflection of that hard wiring and early onset imprinting.

Homosexuality is quite literally, ab-normal. Homosexuals can not procreate. Nor can unhealthy heterosexuals, just to get that out of the way. Nature sustains itself through the processes of evolution. Survival of the fittest. (Yes, there are theistic evolutionists out there). That being the case, the homosexual sex model is incapable of surviving any species.
Nature doesn't create within itself something that will eradicate the survival of itself.

And before someone interjects the argument that there are examples of homosexuality in the animal kingdom, let me say first, that argument isn't something that sustains an argument that is pro-gay rights.
Arguing same sex animals sex one another isn't a way to argue for respect for the gay community by saying they're all demonstrating the same type behaviors so it must be normal.

Homosexual sex in animals is base. Suffice to say, they want to get off but they don't want to procreate for whatever reason nature signals that to be a bad idea. But they still want to get off. They do. They're animals. Lower animals.
Comparing homosexual human behavior to lower animal behavior isn't a plus side for the gay community.
 
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Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
All transsexuals are gay. Or they're bisexual. They're not straight.

Bs! There's trans women who like men and trans women who like women. There's trans guys who like men and trans guys who like women. There's trans people who like both and trans people who aren't into anyone sexually.

Sexual orientation and gender identity are separate things.

I don't assume. I go by what you tell me about your sexual choices.
Just because I say I'm gay, straight or bi doesn't mean I'm having sex with anyone or have ever had sex with anyone.

You understand very little about sexual and gender matters, so you're the last person who should be lecturing and declaring what is "sin" or not when it comes to this.

Didn't say gender identity is a choice. But you are saying it is a mental disorder. I quite agree.
It's not a mental disorder and isn't treated like one. There's nothing wrong with the brain/mind. The problem is that the body doesn't match with the brain sex and so the treatment is to bring the body into alignment with the brain sex. It's a disorder in that the natural development of the fetus in the womb did not occur as it normally should. Instead of an XX fetus receiving estrogen to the brain, it receives testosterone and it masculinizes the brain (vice versa for trans women), thereby making the brain sex a mismatch with the primary, and later, secondary sex characteristics of the body.

Ergo, transsexualism itself is a medical condition more properly classed as a sex differentiation disorder. What is diagnosed by mental health professionals is gender/sex dysphoria, which is strong feelings of distress over the mismatch of the brain sex and body sex and social distress caused by it. Gender/sex dysphoria is the main symptom of transsexualism. Also, by giving it a psychiatric diagnoses, it functions as a form of gatekeeping to weed out those who aren't really transsexuals but have some other issue. It also serves to help transsexuals have access to a mental health professional to cope with our dysphoria and gain access to medical treatment for it.
 
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suncowiam

Well-Known Member
Yours is like the involuntary nervous system and organ argument. Fails to realize what was being discussed.
In this case of choice that was being discussed, as I obviously mistakenly thought everyone knew, referred to conscious first person options and discrimination.
I was wrong in assuming people knew that. My mistake.

Let's not make this personal.

I think you're jumping the gun to assert your definitive definition on this and expecting others to agree. I personally don't know and don't care if it is genetics or choice. I simply advocate personal freedom to everyone until real data shows harm to society by this act.

I asked for that data and have looked but it's not returned and I haven't found any.
 
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dgirl1986

Big Queer Chesticles!
Sure. Do you choose who you sleep with? (Going on the presumption that you have sex).
Bisexuality can be an example of someone horn without discretionary assets. Like those who are born without a conscience because the conscience center in their frontal lobe is in deficit.

Or, it could be they have a sexual disorder, like those who are sex addicts, and they're bisexual simply because they're happy to satisfy their addiction by any possible option.

Either way, its a choice to act on the compulsion. Otherwise, someone is simply an unconsciously acting out sexually. And that in itself is a disorder.

I choose who to sleep with but that does not determine who I am attracted to and who I develop feelings for.

Do you think that bisexuals are attracted to everyone and therefore want to have sex with anyone they can?

Well homosexuality isnt just about sex, neither is pansexuality or bisexuality.

You'd have to ask the one that interjected that into this discussion.

The only true definition of an ex hetero, in my understanding, would be someone who tried really hard to be straight before accepting who they were.
 

dgirl1986

Big Queer Chesticles!
Let's just make this clear.

If everyone who was traumatised as a child by someone of the same sex or opposite sex, there would be a lot more non heterosexuals than there are.
 
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ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
Of course it is. Compulsion refers to the drive a person has. Maybe look up the word.
:facepalm:

So, is heterosexuality a compulsion? Is the love for the people you feel "a compulsion"?

What do you say about bisexuals? Their libido is active toward both sexes without discrimination.
Actually, it's active towards both sexes WITH discrimination. Bisexuals won't sleep with just anyone - they still have likes and dislikes like you or I do, obviously. The only difference is that an individual's sex is not an obstacle. That's not "a lack of discrimination", it's just a difference of preference. Straight people prefer to have a partner of the opposing sex, bisexuals don't have that preference. That's all.

I've spoken with a woman who in a group setting of women where she felt safe said she chose to be a lesbian. Because in her past she'd been horrifically abused by the men in her family.
I've met gay men who said they felt safer sexing men because they were raised by a family of overbearing women, no dad in the picture.

I choose not to dismiss those people and their accounts. Especially when they choose to lay down with those they say they chose due to those life experiences.
I don't dismiss those people either. But nor do I dismiss the accounts of the countless people for whom sexuality was not only not a choice, but a thing that took them a lot of introspection and personal difficulty in coming to terms with. To say that those people simply "choose" to be gay is an insult to them, and shows a lack of education on the subject. Human sexuality is complicated and multi-faceted, and people can have various preferences that could have all kind of different causes - but to dismiss the millions of testimonies of homosexuals for whom their preference was not a matter of choice and instead simply tar them with the brush of having made a "choice" is utterly and wholly ignorant.

The outrage being demonstrated in this thread, which I admit was stoked to prove a prior point regarding those who profess themselves to be ex-gays and the bigotry, hate, intolerance and discrimination they suffer for it, proves that hypocrisy exists.
I very much doubt they suffer anywhere near the amount of bigotry, hate, intolerance and discrimination that homosexuals do. The idea of someone "being gay and then not being gay" isn't in and of itself incomprehensible - but the idea that such people exist and that therefore homosexuality is "nothing but a choice" or is "some form of disorder" is not only insulting but flat-out wrong.

Many who identify as gay, when they go back into their past experiences in their formative years, find they had horrific traumatic experiences with same sex or opposite sex adults. And their life choices in future are a reflection of that hard wiring and early onset imprinting.
And many who identify as gay do not have those experiences. Many who identify as anything with regards to any subject may link their feelings or preferences to specific events or memories in their past. How does that, in any way, make their preference or belief any less valid or any more a matter of choice?

Homosexuality is quite literally, ab-normal.
So is wearing kilts. So what?

Homosexuals can not procreate. Nor can unhealthy heterosexuals, just to get that out of the way.
"Unhealthy"? You mean sterile, right? Sterility isn't always an indicator of health.

Nature sustains itself through the processes of evolution. Survival of the fittest. (Yes, there are theistic evolutionists out there). That being the case, the homosexual sex model is incapable of surviving any species.
How is that? The only way that could be true is if homosexuals a) never have children and b) were the entirety of the human population. Since neither are true, this statement is erroneous. You might as well argue that sterile people are incapable of surviving any species. So what?

Nature doesn't create within itself something that will eradicate the survival of itself.
Homosexuality won't "eradicate" anything. Gay people do still have children, and there will always be plenty of people having children regardless of how high the percentage of homosexuals there are in the world. Again, the existence of homosexuality poses no more a threat to the survival of the species than the existence of sterility (in fact, even less, since gay people CAN STILL HAVE CHILDREN).

And before someone interjects the argument that there are examples of homosexuality in the animal kingdom, let me say first, that argument isn't something that sustains an argument that is pro-gay rights.
Arguing same sex animals sex one another isn't a way to argue for respect for the gay community by saying they're all demonstrating the same type behaviors so it must be normal.
It isn't supposed to. It's specifically a reaction to the claim that homosexuality is "unnatural" or specifically not found in nature. It isn't supposed to have anything to do with gay rights, which should be pretty obvious.
 

suncowiam

Well-Known Member
Let's just make this clear.

If everyone who was traumatised as a child by someone of the same sex or opposite sex, there would be a lot more non heterosexuals than there are.

I really really really don't want to offend you and others on this. I'm just not sure if this can be generally accepted?

I'm gonna do some research now and if you have any sites to offer, I would appreciate that. Not telling you this is wrong but I'm not sure if I can just accept this without some study.
 

Shuttlecraft

.Navigator
Incidentally, some of the teachers at my all-boys school in England in the 1960's were gay but we couldn't complain to the headmaster because he was the ringleader..:)
His favourite trick was to call a boy out to the front of the class on some trumped up charge, make him bend over (pants up) then whack him a few times on his bum with the inside of his clenched fist. It didn't hurt a bit and was more like a gentle nuzzle (I speak from experience), and it never bothered us in the slightest, we were too young (11-ish) to know anything about that sort of stuff anyway and simply regarded him as a harmless eccentic old duffer.
Here's the school in 1867, it'd been much enlarged by the time I got there a hundred years later-

Hell_Hall-1867_zps91dd282a.jpg~original
 
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dgirl1986

Big Queer Chesticles!
Incidentally, some of the teachers at my all-boys school in the 1960's were gay but we couldn't complain to the headmaster because he was the ringleader..:)
His favourite trick was to call a boy out to the front of the class on some trumped up charge, make him bend over (pants up) then whack him a few times on his bum with the inside of his clenched fist. It didn't hurt a bit and was more like a gentle nuzzle (I speak from experience), and it never bothered in the slightest, we were too young (11-ish) to know anything about that sort of stuff anyway and simply regarded him as an eccentic old duffer.
Here's the school in 1867, it'd been much enlarged by the time I got there-

Hell_Hall-1867_zps91dd282a.jpg~original

What the hell. Thats not a sexuality thing...thats a pedo thing.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
They didn't exist then and they don't exist now. It's simply called sexual repression and forced celibacy. They also don't factor in bisexuals to the equation.

I know that. But thanks anyway. I could not muster the courage to point out the obvious to one who wants to deny it.
 
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