To The Anti Gay Religious

[Etritonakin]

Only the cartoon versions can be seen as not so different.

What do you mean?

I was referring to the basic shape.

 

[Etritonakin]

Were you satisfied with the responses?

I didn't realize there were any -will check -and if they were really technical
it might take me a while to know if I am satisfied or not.

I am meticulous -but also slow as molasses. I also might not initially understand what the heck is being said.

 

[dgirl1986]

What a load of disgusting hogwash!

Also, FYI: Transsexualism is a medical condition, not a sexual orientation!

exactement

 

[dgirl1986]

What do you mean?

Anyone can see the difference between the two in real life.

 

[dgirl1986]

I didn't realize there were any -will check -and if they were really technical
it might take me a while to know if I am satisfied or not.

I am meticulous -but also slow as molasses. I also might not initially understand what the heck is being said.

You responded with a wish me well response.

 

[Awkward Fingers]

About what -specifically?

But, to compare, how many men have you looked at in a sexual manner, and been attracted to, before you decided to be attracted to women?
Did you fantasize about nude males much, or was this an uninformed decision, and therefore you may be gay..but you just haven't found out yet, because you've only chosen to be attracted to women so far..if I may ask.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Well I need convincing.

I am also not convinced people wanting to change their sex is good for their mind, body or soul.

The scientific evidence shows that medical transition is the best treatment for transsexualism that we currently have since we cannot change the person's brain or mind sex.

Nor am I the least bit convinced science has the answers to these moral issues and psychological issues.

Perhaps it's because you're not interested in viewpoints that deviate from your own opinions?

And since I am convinced of who God is and what he expects in most areas of our lives, I will not deviate from the Church on these issues either.

Thought so. You're not interested in facts, only in stale doctrines made up by people who are ignorant and fearful of the subject.

I understand others have struggles I do not personally struggle with, so maybe they look elsewhere for respite or truth.

Because they surely are not going to find respite or truth in archaic doctrines that encourage suffering, reject treatment and could lead one to suicide.

 

[dgirl1986]

Side note - if I have missed any posts people were directing at me, let me know

 

[Etritonakin]

But, to compare, how many men have you looked at in a sexual manner, and been attracted to, before you decided to be attracted to women?
Did you fantasize about nude males much, or was this an uninformed decision, and therefore you may be gay..but you just haven't found out yet, because you've only chosen to be attracted to women so far..if I may ask.

lol
It was unlike me to even offer up the fuzzy sweater story. It's not a subject I am comfortable discussing with strangers -regardless of the sex of any objects of fantasy which may or may not have existed.

I'm not exactly sure what you are saying -or that I agree with your criteria or the implications of certain things.
I have some thoughts about an answer, but have to consider how to express them well.

I'll say at this point that before I had any sort of sexual thoughts toward anyone, I had a very strong religious and pro-heterosexual background -including the idea that homosexuality should not be practiced (though I eventually disagreed with much of that particular religion -and attempt to constantly question and examine my beliefs about all things).

I believe that "fantasy", as such, is directed.

As far as my own thoughts are concerned, by the time I had any sort of sexual thoughts toward anyone, my mind was pretty much trained to not consider males in that way.

 

[dgirl1986]

lol
It was unlike me to even offer up the fuzzy sweater story. It's not a subject I am comfortable discussing with strangers -regardless of the sex of any objects of fantasy which may or may not have existed.

I'm not exactly sure what you are saying -or that I agree with your criteria or the implications of certain things.
I have some thoughts about an answer, but have to consider how to express them well.

I'll say at this point that before I had any sort of sexual thoughts toward anyone, I had a very strong religious and pro-heterosexual background -including the idea that homosexuality should not be practiced (though I eventually disagreed with much of that particular religion -and attempt to constantly question and examine my beliefs about all things).

I find it difficult to understand then how you could think you chose to be heterosexual.

 

[LuisDantas]

Maybe he is a bisexual with a weak sex drive?

 

[Etritonakin]

Anyone can see the difference between the two in real life.

I'm not saying they aren't different at all.

Also... I can't keep up with all the posts -

 

[Etritonakin]

Maybe he is a bisexual with a weak sex drive?

lol
Actually, I'm essentially a non-sexual with an extreme sex drive -at least for the foreseeable future.

 

[LuisDantas]

I won't pretend to understand what you mean.

 

[Etritonakin]

I'll say at this point that before I had any sort of sexual thoughts toward anyone, I had a very strong religious and pro-heterosexual background -including the idea that homosexuality should not be practiced (though I eventually disagreed with much of that particular religion -and attempt to constantly question and examine my beliefs about all things).

I find it difficult to understand then how you could think you chose to be heterosexual.

Why?
Wait....

I choose to be heterosexual.

I initially didn't choose to be Catholic, either -many of our choices are made for us before we are able to make choices -by many factors.

 

[dgirl1986]

I'm not saying they aren't different at all.

You are saying that there isnt much difference, but to someone who tried to be straight before accepting being gay I can tell you there are huge differences.

I'll say at this point that before I had any sort of sexual thoughts toward anyone, I had a very strong religious and pro-heterosexual background -including the idea that homosexuality should not be practiced (though I eventually disagreed with much of that particular religion -and attempt to constantly question and examine my beliefs about all things).




Why?
Wait....

I choose to be heterosexual.

I initially didn't choose to be Catholic, either -many of our choices are made for us before we are able to make choices -by many factors.

Choosing to be heterosexual would be choosing who you were physically and romantically attracted to. I liken it to tastes in food. I cannot choose to find asparagus tasty, I cannot choose to find junk food gross (I wish I could though!).

 

[Etritonakin]

I understand your goal as I've read your other posts. But at times im lost to your method.

Usually I'm expecting to hear other view points but your method leads to more questions so it leads to circle that honestly I just want to politely stop and again try to understand your opinion.

I think that is a product of how my mind works. I often end up with a spinning head or headache myself.

I find it difficult or inadequate to isolate one thing -or see anything as isolated -but see things as they relate to most any and every thing.

It's like a drop of dye in water when I take in new information (which is basically true for all) -but I am almost too consciously aware of how it interacts with one other bit of information - then another, etc...

 

[Etritonakin]

You are saying that there isnt much difference, but to someone who tried to be straight before accepting being gay I can tell you there are huge differences.



Choosing to be heterosexual would be choosing who you were physically and romantically attracted to. I liken it to tastes in food. I cannot choose to find asparagus tasty, I cannot choose to find junk food gross (I wish I could though!).

I didn't express my point about the pictures well -but I do get what you are saying.

It is weird that you mentioned tastes in food.

Perhaps you might not believe it, but I actually did change my taste in food by choice -and went from being quite disgusted to enjoying them and their taste.

It began with consideration of diet in general. I remember learning the benefits of various foods -and then eating them very slowly when I had the opportunity.
I thought about the taste as it related to the various things contained in the food and how those things interacted with my body.
Eventually, I realized I was even hungry for those foods specifically.

I do believe the same thing can apply to sexuality. I understand some do not.

(I don't think I could ever make myself not like mozzarella cheese sticks, though -maybe because I secretly would never want to -not that that has anything to do with my point)

 

[dgirl1986]

I didn't express my point about the pictures well -but I do get what you are saying.

It is weird that you mentioned tastes in food.

Perhaps you might not believe it, but I actually did change my taste in food by choice -and went from being quite disgusted to enjoying them and their taste.

It began with consideration of diet in general. I remember learning the benefits of various foods -and then eating them very slowly when I had the opportunity.
Eventually, I realized I was even hungry for those foods specifically.

I do believe the same thing can apply to sexuality. I understand some do not.

I don't think I could ever make myself not like mozzarella cheese sticks -maybe because I secretly would never want to

I was just using food as a metaphor not a literal comparison.

YOu may like to look up resources on the topic of it being a choice...also...

Answers to Your Questions For a Better Understanding of Sexual Orientation and Homosexuality

and more importantly...

http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbt/resources/just-the-facts.pdf

 

[Etritonakin]

I was just using food as a metaphor not a literal comparison.

YOu may like to look up resources on the topic of it being a choice...also...

Answers to Your Questions For a Better Understanding of Sexual Orientation and Homosexuality

and more importantly...

http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbt/resources/just-the-facts.pdf

first thing I saw.... -but I will continue to look into it -and the other

"There is no consensus among scientists about the exact reasons that an individual develops a heterosexual, bisexual, gay, or lesbian orientation. Although much research has examined the possible genetic, hormonal, developmental, social, and cultural influences on sexual orientation, no findings have emerged that permit scientists to conclude that sexual orientation is determined by any particular factor or factors. Many think that nature and nurture both play complex roles; most people experience little or no sense of choice about their sexual orientation."