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To the United Nations: Time to Call it a Bad Day

jbg

Active Member
The United Nations was founded out of the ashes of World War II for the noble purpose of ensuring that the earth would never know war or genocide again. The embers of the Nazi gas chambers were still hot. The barely alive, near corpses of Holocaust survivors staggered in the camps of Buchenwald, Auschwitz, Dachau, Bergen Belsen, Treblinka and other such place. The Nazis had finished slaughtering millions of people for no other reason than that they didn't fit the definition of "Aryan" (as if Hitler was blond and blue-eyed).

Japanese had just concluded an epic slaughter of Chinese. Numerous Japanese were cremated in the fires of Tokyo, and died in the mushroom clouds of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The world literally stank of slaughter and death.

The "solution" to the problems starting WW I hadn't worked. The French, Brits and US levied an oppressive "peace" on the Germans, which meant there was no peace. Not that the Nazis and Communists helped by taking it to the streets. The Middle East went from feudal satrapy under the Ottomans to a tinder box under the League of Nations mandates. Thus, progressives throughout the world united to form the UN out of the ashes of WW II.

Then things went badly wrong. Postage stamp nations were created at a furious pace after the implosion of the British, French, Belgian Portuguese and Dutch empires. The people in their former colonies were left in utter misery. With a few notable exceptions such as, eventually, India, "one man, one vote, one time" ensured that dictators sprung up, destroying whatever spunk and initiative these new nations possessed. Pakistan, much of Africa, and initially India degenerated into war and famine.

The formation of the UN did nothing to solve any of these problems. A corrupt crew of bureaucrats sprang up whose only mission was self-preservation. The dictators of these new countries picked "ambassadors" who got the cushy privilege of living it up in New York City, and running wild. Imagine the heaven of being supported by your own (corrupt) government, being able to amass thousands in unpaid parking tickets, and having as a "job" attending a debating society overlooking the beautiful East River of New York City. Simply irresistible. If is were only the waste involved, the UN would be inexcusable and in need of abolition.

Foreign aid is now largely administered through multilateral, faceless agencies. Thus, people in lands throughout the world can scream "death to the United States" with impunity. The United States is still largely funding the aid, but the check bears the name "United Nations". Thus, the US spends all of the money, receives all of the vilification, gets none of the influence that should come with aid.

Even worse, the aid does not reach the people. Do you really imagine that those pitiful people waving their arms in UNICEF posters really get a penny? No, the money is in their dictators' Swiss bank accounts or at best wasted in the not-for-profits' bureaucracies.

The Western nations get the distinction of being pilloried for relatively minor transgressions Meanwhile, unabated by the UN, slaughters continue in Rwanda, Sudan, Burundi, et. al. Mosques in Yemen explode. ISIS cuts off peoples' heads. The UN does nothing about Robert Mugabe's destruction of Zimbabwe, once a comfortable, middle class land. The UN grinds out a diet of one-sided resolutions against Israel, while ignoring the constant atrocities in Arab lands. Where is the U.N. when it comes to the continuing persecution of Christians in Pakistan, Libya, Syria and the Islamic State?

The UN is wasting money that ought to benefit the unfortunate. It is worse than the most reactionary conservative dreams that George Wallace or Ross Barnett could dream up.
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
The United Nations was founded out of the ashes of World War II for the noble purpose of ensuring that the earth would never know war or genocide again. The embers of the Nazi gas chambers were still hot. The barely alive, near corpses of Holocaust survivors staggered in the camps of Buchenwald, Auschwitz, Dachau, Bergen Belsen, Treblinka and other such place. The Nazis had finished slaughtering millions of people for no other reason than that they didn't fit the definition of "Aryan" (as if Hitler was blond and blue-eyed).

Japanese had just concluded an epic slaughter of Chinese. Numerous Japanese were cremated in the fires of Tokyo, and died in the mushroom clouds of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The world literally stank of slaughter and death.

The "solution" to the problems starting WW I hadn't worked. The French, Brits and US levied an oppressive "peace" on the Germans, which meant there was no peace. Not that the Nazis and Communists helped by taking it to the streets. The Middle East went from feudal satrapy under the Ottomans to a tinder box under the League of Nations mandates. Thus, progressives throughout the world united to form the UN out of the ashes of WW II.

Then things went badly wrong. Postage stamp nations were created at a furious pace after the implosion of the British, French, Belgian Portuguese and Dutch empires. The people in their former colonies were left in utter misery. With a few notable exceptions such as, eventually, India, "one man, one vote, one time" ensured that dictators sprung up, destroying whatever spunk and initiative these new nations possessed. Pakistan, much of Africa, and initially India degenerated into war and famine.

The formation of the UN did nothing to solve any of these problems. A corrupt crew of bureaucrats sprang up whose only mission was self-preservation. The dictators of these new countries picked "ambassadors" who got the cushy privilege of living it up in New York City, and running wild. Imagine the heaven of being supported by your own (corrupt) government, being able to amass thousands in unpaid parking tickets, and having as a "job" attending a debating society overlooking the beautiful East River of New York City. Simply irresistible. If is were only the waste involved, the UN would be inexcusable and in need of abolition.

Foreign aid is now largely administered through multilateral, faceless agencies. Thus, people in lands throughout the world can scream "death to the United States" with impunity. The United States is still largely funding the aid, but the check bears the name "United Nations". Thus, the US spends all of the money, receives all of the vilification, gets none of the influence that should come with aid.

Even worse, the aid does not reach the people. Do you really imagine that those pitiful people waving their arms in UNICEF posters really get a penny? No, the money is in their dictators' Swiss bank accounts or at best wasted in the not-for-profits' bureaucracies.

The Western nations get the distinction of being pilloried for relatively minor transgressions Meanwhile, unabated by the UN, slaughters continue in Rwanda, Sudan, Burundi, et. al. Mosques in Yemen explode. ISIS cuts off peoples' heads. The UN does nothing about Robert Mugabe's destruction of Zimbabwe, once a comfortable, middle class land. The UN grinds out a diet of one-sided resolutions against Israel, while ignoring the constant atrocities in Arab lands. Where is the U.N. when it comes to the continuing persecution of Christians in Pakistan, Libya, Syria and the Islamic State?

The UN is wasting money that ought to benefit the unfortunate. It is worse than the most reactionary conservative dreams that George Wallace or Ross Barnett could dream up.
"Out of the ashes" seems a fitting description, since the League of Nations technically burned. Its flames still emit quite a lot of smoke, which many people are choking on... imo.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Greed.
Greed is something that seduces people...and those of the UN are unaware of their responsibilities, since peace, justice and equality should be mandatory.
But we know very well that billionaires can buy off any public servant, especially if it deals with billionaires from countries where women have zero rights.
 

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
you're just p'd off because almost all the nations of the world are united in support of Palestine, just like they should be
 

danieldemol

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Why should influence come with aid, and what is the difference between the UN and other aid agencies which i believe seem to be beurocratic as well?

In my opinion
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
I have problems at times with the U.N., but the worst thing to do would be to disband it like we learned after the League of Nations was disbanded. Huge mistake.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
The UN grinds out a diet of one-sided resolutions against Israel, while ignoring the constant atrocities in Arab lands.

Would you accept the UN's resolutions against Israel if it also issued resolutions against Arab countries?
 

jbg

Active Member
Why should influence come with aid, and what is the difference between the UN and other aid agencies which i believe seem to be beurocratic as well?
If we are giving something we don't have to give why shouldn't we have influence? More importantly, should not the donors have a right to insist that it be used for the intended purpose rather than supporting corruption or war?
Would you accept the UN's resolutions against Israel if it also issued resolutions against Arab countries?
Absolutely I would be more likely to accept them as coming from a place of integrity. There is absolutely zero evidence of any thought. Issuing resolutions against Israel is like smashing a piñata; no thinking is required.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
I have problems at times with the U.N., but the worst thing to do would be to disband it like we learned after the League of Nations was disbanded. Huge mistake.
However, with backing the U.N. can be strengthened and become God's long arm of the law to go up against corrupted religious establishments.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Greed. Greed is something that seduces people...and those of the UN are unaware of their responsibilities, since peace, justice and equality should be mandatory.........

Interesting to mention ' greed ' because a bad economy can cause the 'powers that be' to see the wealth the religions have amassed, and even through the international banking system, see the wealth as easy for their taking.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
However, with backing the U.N. can be strengthened and become God's long arm of the law to go up against corrupted religious establishments.
What does "corrupted religious establishments" mean? What makes them corrupt? What would happen to them?
 

jbg

Active Member
However, with backing the U.N. can be strengthened and become God's long arm of the law to go up against corrupted religious establishments.
Are you joking? You are going to let Iran, China, Pakistan or Central African Republic become the "long arm of the law"?
 

danieldemol

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
If we are giving something we don't have to give why shouldn't we have influence?
So are you a proselytiser who doesn't do good things because they're good, but rather you do it with strings attached for your own self benefit?

I believe there is nothing inherently virtuous about the rich that entitles them to influence over the poor, in supporting the poor they are only fulfilling a duty that they owe to humanity.

More importantly, should not the donors have a right to insist that it be used for the intended purpose rather than supporting corruption or war?
Do you have the same problem with other charities or only the UN?
All charities that i know of are beurocratic as far as I can tell.
In an ideal world no charity would be siphoned off by dictators but being part of the UN does not make one superman that is able to prevent every evil in my opinion.
If a dictator shows up and loots a warehouse what do you expect the UN to do, have all its workers martyred?
In my opinion.
 

sayak83

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
The United Nations was founded out of the ashes of World War II for the noble purpose of ensuring that the earth would never know war or genocide again. The embers of the Nazi gas chambers were still hot. The barely alive, near corpses of Holocaust survivors staggered in the camps of Buchenwald, Auschwitz, Dachau, Bergen Belsen, Treblinka and other such place. The Nazis had finished slaughtering millions of people for no other reason than that they didn't fit the definition of "Aryan" (as if Hitler was blond and blue-eyed).

Japanese had just concluded an epic slaughter of Chinese. Numerous Japanese were cremated in the fires of Tokyo, and died in the mushroom clouds of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The world literally stank of slaughter and death.

The "solution" to the problems starting WW I hadn't worked. The French, Brits and US levied an oppressive "peace" on the Germans, which meant there was no peace. Not that the Nazis and Communists helped by taking it to the streets. The Middle East went from feudal satrapy under the Ottomans to a tinder box under the League of Nations mandates. Thus, progressives throughout the world united to form the UN out of the ashes of WW II.

Then things went badly wrong. Postage stamp nations were created at a furious pace after the implosion of the British, French, Belgian Portuguese and Dutch empires. The people in their former colonies were left in utter misery. With a few notable exceptions such as, eventually, India, "one man, one vote, one time" ensured that dictators sprung up, destroying whatever spunk and initiative these new nations possessed. Pakistan, much of Africa, and initially India degenerated into war and famine.

The formation of the UN did nothing to solve any of these problems. A corrupt crew of bureaucrats sprang up whose only mission was self-preservation. The dictators of these new countries picked "ambassadors" who got the cushy privilege of living it up in New York City, and running wild. Imagine the heaven of being supported by your own (corrupt) government, being able to amass thousands in unpaid parking tickets, and having as a "job" attending a debating society overlooking the beautiful East River of New York City. Simply irresistible. If is were only the waste involved, the UN would be inexcusable and in need of abolition.

Foreign aid is now largely administered through multilateral, faceless agencies. Thus, people in lands throughout the world can scream "death to the United States" with impunity. The United States is still largely funding the aid, but the check bears the name "United Nations". Thus, the US spends all of the money, receives all of the vilification, gets none of the influence that should come with aid.

Even worse, the aid does not reach the people. Do you really imagine that those pitiful people waving their arms in UNICEF posters really get a penny? No, the money is in their dictators' Swiss bank accounts or at best wasted in the not-for-profits' bureaucracies.

The Western nations get the distinction of being pilloried for relatively minor transgressions Meanwhile, unabated by the UN, slaughters continue in Rwanda, Sudan, Burundi, et. al. Mosques in Yemen explode. ISIS cuts off peoples' heads. The UN does nothing about Robert Mugabe's destruction of Zimbabwe, once a comfortable, middle class land. The UN grinds out a diet of one-sided resolutions against Israel, while ignoring the constant atrocities in Arab lands. Where is the U.N. when it comes to the continuing persecution of Christians in Pakistan, Libya, Syria and the Islamic State?

The UN is wasting money that ought to benefit the unfortunate. It is worse than the most reactionary conservative dreams that George Wallace or Ross Barnett could dream up.
Those living in glass houses...
Corruption and Self-Dealing in Afghanistan and Other U.S.-Backed Security Sectors
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
However, with backing the U.N. can be strengthened and become God's long arm of the law to go up against corrupted religious establishments.
I think that is highly unlikely, but I do know what you mean. Have a Happy New Year.
 

jbg

Active Member
You would do well to avoid nonsensical rhetoric.
I challenge you. What doesn't make sense? We pour billions of aid into the Third World and really, in any of those countries is there anything to show for it?
 

sayak83

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
I challenge you. What doesn't make sense? We pour billions of aid into the Third World and really, in any of those countries is there anything to show for it?
You are simply claiming things without any data or evidence to back it up. As far as I can see, UN aid is ranked as number 3 in aid transparency index. So you need to back up your claims for us to take you seriously
Transparency | United Nations Development Programme
 
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