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To those who understand enlightenment

zenzero

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend Kaat,
There is no zenzero, Its only a label which holds NOTHING in IT.

And may I respectfully suggest, that if you posted more than one response at a time, we might truly engage.
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Engagement - when was there any disengagment? except probably when your MIND went out to THINK.
AND, finally, for now: If you are correct, why are you trying to influence me?
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When as explained am not there as an individual besides by only DOING NOTHING how can that be INFLUENCING anyone forget you.
Love & rgds
 
Jeremy Mason

Jeremy Mason

Well-Known Member
kaat said:
Great answer. I too find zenzero a VERY nice person, and truly gifted too.

I guess I am not supposed to understand what he wants, and thus I must move on ... right?
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Well, until he gets back. Plus, your life is just that, your life.

The things that give me anchors to truth are books and the feelings that I receive when I read them with an open mind and heart. I also feel that RF has given me many tools to test and elaborate on my current beliefs.

The fact that I will not know everything there is to know until I meet my Maker actually is comforting as well. It's OK to not know everything and IMO is rather exciting.
 
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kaat

kaat

Storm Animal
zenzero said:
Friend Kaat,
There is no zenzero, Its only a label which holds NOTHING in IT.


Engagement - when was there any disengagment? except probably when your MIND went out to THINK.

When as explained am not there as an individual besides by only DOING NOTHING how can that be INFLUENCING anyone forget you.
Love & rgds
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Unless you can prove any of this cryptic mess, I won't be very interested in engaging with you any further - but I WILL, due to the compassion thing.
 
kaat

kaat

Storm Animal
Jeremy Mason said:
Well, until he gets back. Plus, your life is just that, your life.

The things that give me anchors to truth are books and the feelings that I receive when I read them with an open mind and heart. I also feel that RF has given me many tools to test and elaborate on my current beliefs.

The fact that I will not know everything their is to know until I meet my Maker actually is comforting as well. It's OK to not know everything and IMO is rather exciting.
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But what has it done for your powers of argument?
 
kaat

kaat

Storm Animal
Jeremy Mason said:
To use compassion instead of contempt. To use a question instead of an answer and to research rather than uttering my position without references.
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But Jeremy, I am practicing compassion to my fullest extent. Still. SOMETIMES, it's kind to be cruel.

To answer questions with questions will NEVER reveal the truth.
 
zenzero

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend Kaat,

As informed before.
Keep up the volume of your song till it shatters YOU.

Being a part of the whole neither have ears to hear nor eyes to see and read nor a will to proove.
Love & rgds
 
kaat

kaat

Storm Animal
zenzero said:
Friend Kaat,

As informed before.
Keep up the volume of your song till it shatters YOU.

Being a part of the whole neither have ears to hear nor eyes to see and read nor a will to proove.
Love & rgds
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Whatever, whatever, whatever.

Though I have to admit, it IS shattering me, though I KNOW it's not for the reason you believe.

>> Oh, and I guess you still can't tell me how I "missed" addressing you?
 
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Jeremy Mason

Jeremy Mason

Well-Known Member
kaat said:
But Jeremy, I am practicing compassion to my fullest extent. Still. SOMETIMES, it's kind to be cruel.

To answer questions with questions will NEVER reveal the truth.
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I disagree. As I have taught 1000's of people of all ages and a good teacher doesn't answer question all the time, but asks the right questions in order to allow that persons intelligence to be used.

For example, when I taught skiing, I would show my students how they should do a particular thing. If they failed to do it correctly, I would ask them to describe the things they saw me do. This forced them to used their recollection which in turn promoted a higher awareness of information to come. They realized that they had to participate in this thing called a ski lesion.
 
zenzero

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friiend Kaat,
Though I have to admit, it IS shattering me, though I KNOW it's not for the reason you believe.
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There is NOTHING even to believe. WHAT IS, IS.
The day when you will know you will not say * I KNOW *, that is known.
Best wishes.
Love & rgds
 
kaat

kaat

Storm Animal
zenzero said:
Friiend Kaat,


There is NOTHING even to believe. WHAT IS, IS.
The day when you will know you will not say * I KNOW *, that is known.
Best wishes.
Love & rgds
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I now know, I will NEVER be fully enlightened. At least, not in the same way you are. Especially because you believe I am more selfish than you. If it's not worth hanging around in MY world, why do you do it?
 
kaat

kaat

Storm Animal
Jeremy Mason said:
I disagree. As I have taught 1000's of people of all ages and a good teacher doesn't answer question all the time, but asks the right questions in order to allow that persons intelligence to be used.

For example, when I taught skiing, I would show my students how they should do a particular thing. If they failed to do it correctly, I would ask them to describe the things they saw me do. This forced them to used their recollection which in turn promoted a higher awareness of information to come. They realized that they had to participate in this thing called a ski lesion.
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How come zenzero is unable to follow your plan?
 
zenzero

zenzero

Its only a Label
friend Kaat,
I now know, I will NEVER be fully enlightened. At least, not in the same way you are. Especially because you believe I am more selfish than you. If it's not worth hanging around in MY world, why do you do it?
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Each being is enlightened most do not know it. is the only difference.
As mentioned there is NOTHING to believe so .......... [your statement about it] - is useless.
HANGING around - That is since eternity and till eternity. That is natures doing.
MY world - again it is only in the MIND that you have a world as the world was there, is there and will be there for ever for everyone. Let your MIND like it or not, thats his wish but surely even when he is gone the world will still be sraound.
Love & rgds
 
kaat

kaat

Storm Animal
zenzero said:
friend Kaat,


Each being is enlightened most do not know it. is the only difference.
As mentioned there is NOTHING to believe so .......... [your statement about it] - is useless.
HANGING around - That is since eternity and till eternity. That is natures doing.
MY world - again it is only in the MIND that you have a world as the world was there, is there and will be there for ever for everyone. Let your MIND like it or not, thats his wish but surely even when he is gone the world will still be sraound.
Love & rgds
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And the benefits of this, compared to my plan, again, are?
 
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