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Tolerance and What If You Were Wrong?

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Kavi

Member
I was watching YouTube today and came across these back and forth videos between a strong Christian (VenomfangX) and a strong Athiest (TheAmazingAthiest). At the very end of the video by VenomfangX, he says "If you're a Muslim, repent or burn in hell."

(YouTube - Islam and Muslims and Allah, Oh My!)

He is proving the Islamic religion false in his mind. He even has a video.

(YouTube - Proving Islam wrong).

Now, in my mind, I can't believe how close-minded some people are and intolerant! It's mindboggling!

From what RabidApe from YouTube says in his video,

(YouTube - Open Letter to VenomFangX),

Could you accept the possibility you are wrong in your beliefs? And if you can't accept that possibility, why?
 
rtc143

rtc143

Curious George
I think religious criticism isn't needed period. In my opinion, we should all have and express our beliefs but not turn them against people. Even if my beliefs were wrong, I wouldn't stop believing because some punk kid said i need to repent now or die. Screw him! Everyone deserves to believe in whatever they want, whether it's already made, or made up on the spot.
 
UnityNow101

UnityNow101

Well-Known Member
We ALL need to examine our beliefs and see what, if anything, is holding them on solid ground. If you must refer back to a book for truth, than you could very well miss the truth of things that is before your face right here and now. Truth can stand by itself without the need of a book to extol its greatness....
 
tariqkhwaja

tariqkhwaja

Jihad Against Terrorism
I can and will accept it if I am wrong. If I do not I am a dishonest person. Period. Plus the Quran constantly tells non-believers to use their reasoning ... so how on Earth can I, as a believer, not use reasoning.

Imagine God punishing me for being honest ... I would NOT like to worship that God.
 
D

Da Troof

Member
Far more worrying for me is the way that parents and clergy in all the major religions take small children and brainwash them. In many cases this brainwashing of children is state sponsored. It makes me very very angry.
 
tariqkhwaja

tariqkhwaja

Jihad Against Terrorism
It makes me very very angry.
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One can stop state-sponsored brainwashing but there really is no alternative to the parent brainwashing, unfortunately. Some suggest religion shou ...

I was gonna write more but realized this has nothing to do with the thread.
 
tomspug

tomspug

Absorbant
Ideally, if there IS one true religion, then everyone should have the ability to speak their beliefs clearly and concisely, without a need to get defensive, because if you have confidence in your own beliefs, why would you get defensive?...

I think there is this modern notion within Christianity that it is our job to convert people, but last time I checked, that was God's job. Christ told his disciples to 'preach' and to 'spread' the Good News, not getting angry when people don't believe what you want them to believe. So this guy should just speak his beliefs (instead of his mind) and then just shut up until he's asked a question.
 
YmirGF

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Kavi said:
Could you accept the possibility you are wrong in your beliefs? And if you can't accept that possibility, why?
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Actually, I never assume that my beliefs are correct. They are "under construction", as it were, and are continually being changed and modified. Beliefs that resist adaptation are beliefs that will ultimately succeed in closing the mind with a rather large padlock attached. This would have a tendency to block further understanding in any meaningful terms. What I don't think many realize is that "faith" is the padlock, as it can override reasoning altogether.
 
tariqkhwaja

tariqkhwaja

Jihad Against Terrorism
I do not get angry when someone disagrees with me (well, I might get a bit irritated) for a reason I do not understand. I usually end arguments when I see they are going in a circle.

But I do feel sad ... very sad ... as you can see in my signature ... it pains me how on Earth I should share the treasure. This sadness inspires (with a slight bit of forcing) tears in my eyes with prayers that "If I am wrong please make me understand but if they are wrong please make them understand ... I do not care if I have to take up Judaism or Taoism as my religion as long as I am where You are God."
 
Dunemeister

Dunemeister

Well-Known Member
YmirGF said:
Actually, I never assume that my beliefs are correct.
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Part of what it means to have a believe is the conviction that it's true. If you don't think something's true, you don't believe it. You have at least some beliefs, that is, there are some things that you think are actually true. Otherwise, you couldn't hold a coherent conversation.
 
MoonWater

MoonWater

Warrior Bard
Premium Member
I don't just accept the possibility... I know for a fact that there is a 99.9999999999% chance that my mythology is wrong, that's why i call it my mythology. So why do I continue to believe it? Because so far it's the best explanation I have so far as to WHY the universe exists and WHY things are the way they are. My mythology only explains why... I leave the how and what up to science. Not to mention that my mythology plays only a very minor role in my religion. The rest of my religion is simply how I live my life, which if it were to change would do so as I change. Even if my mythology were proven wrong, or I found one that gives a better explanation it would have little to no effect on how I live my life.

And I've seen this guy on youtube before with his "Evolution is satanic" videos. I have to say I find it very amusing that he professes to follow christ and yet christ himself spoke out agianst the very arrogance and pride this man possesses. Even if he does end up being right about everything he says I doubt God would be very pleased with him and his arrogance.
 
ChristineES

ChristineES

Tiggerism
Premium Member
I am not going to assume my beliefs are correct or incorrect. I will just accept it until there is proof it is wrong or right.

If I had all the answers I would run for God, but I don't have all the answers.
 
3.14

3.14

Well-Known Member
i accept the fact that i might be wrong, but other people do not or take advantage of it, so lets just keep that fact between you me and the internet
 
DallasApple

DallasApple

Depends Upon My Mood..
If someone tells me Im going to burn in hell..and I say no Im not..(I used to believe I was"going to burn in hell" starting in childhood)...I do refuse to believe the possibility Im wrong..

But other than that?..I will always accept the possiblitly Im wrong about something.. ;)

Love

Dallas
 
Katzpur

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
Father Heathen said:
The need to be right and "righteous" and to display it stems from ego.
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Okay. Now would you mind addressing the OP. Are you willing to admit that you could be wrong, and that there is a God? If the rest of us can give a straightforward answer to that question, I would assume you can, too.
 
YmirGF

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Dunemeister said:
Part of what it means to have a believe is the conviction that it's true. If you don't think something's true, you don't believe it. You have at least some beliefs, that is, there are some things that you think are actually true. Otherwise, you couldn't hold a coherent conversation.
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Perhaps it would be helpful to think far more deeply about what I am saying. There is far more there than might appear at first glance.
 
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