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Torah keepers now say Christians must follow the law? What does the Bible say?

Christian Gnosis

Active Member
Romans 3:27 Where is then thy boasting? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith. 28 For we account a man to be justified by faith, without the works of the law.

Galatians 3:13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law, are under a curse. For it is written: Cursed is every one, that abideth not in all things, which are written in the book of the law to do them.
 

Ben Masada

Well-Known Member
Romans 3:27 Where is then thy boasting? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith. 28 For we account a man to be justified by faith, without the works of the law.

Galatians 3:13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law, are under a curse. For it is written: Cursed is every one, that abideth not in all things, which are written in the book of the law to do them.


This is a good example of the Pauline policy of Replacement Theology.
 

David69

Angel Of The North
Romans 3:27 Where is then thy boasting? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith. 28 For we account a man to be justified by faith, without the works of the law.

Galatians 3:13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law, are under a curse. For it is written: Cursed is every one, that abideth not in all things, which are written in the book of the law to do them.

Is joseph cursed then?
 

Beta

Well-Known Member
There is the 'spiritual or eternal law' as mentioned in Rom.7
and there is the physical or 'works of the law' which was added Gal.3v19 only untill Christ who would and has redeemed us from it.
There are two separate sets of laws - one is eternal, the other temporary.
For the Christian who accepts Christ the works of the law (physical work ie.ritual and sacrificial have been abolished but the eternal law is to be kept in the form of the 10 Commandments given at Ex.20.
For the Jews the works of the law are still in place since they don't accept Jesus Christ as their Redeemer from it.
This surely is the simple biblical answer to all the human confusion about law-keeping. :)
 

nazarenedollar

New Member
In 1st John we are told to keep the Torah and Yeshua tells us in Matthew chapter that the law is not to be destroyed. He even tells someone he healed of leprosy to offer a sacrifice he contently quotes the Torah and so does Paul. In Acts the followers of Yeshua eats according to kosher laws (Peter rejects the unclean animals remember).
 

nazarenedollar

New Member
SKKF a Non Jew would follow the Torah to please G-d. Non Jews calls the Torah a burden but have noticed what John 1:18 says "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." Then in Matthew 5:18-19 "18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
Now all has not passed so why are we arguing about wither or not to keep Torah?
 

Green Kepi

Active Member
No where in the New Testament does it command Christians to observe the 613 Commandments of the Old Law. Christ's dying on the cross took them away. Just to site a few:

Colossians 2:14 - tell us that...Jesus’ dying on the cross canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross.

Romans 7:1-4 – tells us that we died to the Law…through the body of Christ.

Galatians 5:18 – tells us that we are not under the Law.

Ephs 2:15 - has Jesus abolishing the Law by His dying, the Law with its commandments and regulations...done... "finito"!


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Sapphyre

New Member
@ Topic Writer, you're showing a contradiction in the apostle Paul's writings if you're going to ignore the verses below, or do you have an explanation for them?:

Romans 3:31, "Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law."

Romans 7:14, "For we know that the law IS SPIRITUAL: but I am carnal, sold under sin."

Romans 7:12, "Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good."
 

Sapphyre

New Member
Topic Writer, you also seem to think that Christians who observe God's Spiritual law seem to think that the law "justifies" them. No, they clearly do not believe that. As the verse you just posted verifies, the law cannot justify anyone nor do the commandment keepers believe that the law justifies them.

Romans 3:27 Where is then thy boasting? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith. 28 For we account a man to be justified by faith, without the works of the law.
 

Sapphyre

New Member
Also @ Christian_gnosis, in the context of the verses you posted, was Paul not referring to the circumcision law? This law was classified as a cleansing ritual and a covenant between Abraham and God. It did not of itself justify anyone. the Apostle Paul does not seem to be referring to any other law but circumcision and works of the laws that was often used to pay for sins. Such as animal sacrifices.
 

Zardoz

Wonderful Wizard
Premium Member
Mod note: This is an old thread, most of the particpants have been banned long ago.

Please do not debate in the DIR section.
 
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