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Touradas

Vee

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Many people in the world are very protective of traditions because they're part of their cultural identities. Things that have been done for many years by our ancestors tend to be held on high esteem and the continuity of tradition makes people feel attached to their past. I'm not questioning the value of culture, but for me, some traditions should no longer have a place in today's world.
For example, in Portugal and Spain they have the "tourada", a fight between a bull and men on horseback and on foot. This is done in a round shaped arena, with public viewing and cheering. The men have "picadores", sharp poles they use to pierce the muscle on the back of the bull's neck in order to straighten the bull's charge and fatigue the bull as it tries to lift the horse with its head. A picador is like a fishing hook that can't be removed so once the bull has been pierced the animal keeps bleeding. There are several parts of the show but the end is always the same : the "matador" plunges his or her sword between the bull's shoulders, puncturing the animal's heart and killing it. Next, a team of mules or horses drags the dead animal out of the ring.
How is the public watching of an animal being tortured considered entertainment is beyond me. I don't understand why anyone would want to buy a ticked to go watch such a thing, but many people do, because it's tradition.
Once I was talking to a Spanish friend about this and she told me something that really made me think. She too finds the "tourada" barbaric, but she gave up saying that because it made people mad at her. She told me that once people make up their mind it's very hard to make them change. "What is the solution then?" I asked. She answered "Teach the children to love animals. Show them that the animals feel pain and that hurting them is not fun. Once the children grow up they will refuse to see that kind of show and eventually it will disappear due to lack of public interest". I think she made a very good point, and one that can be applied to any number of things. Until then, I feel sorry for every animal out there that suffers in the name of "entertainment".
 

Heyo

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Many people in the world are very protective of traditions because they're part of their cultural identities. Things that have been done for many years by our ancestors tend to be held on high esteem and the continuity of tradition makes people feel attached to their past. I'm not questioning the value of culture, but for me, some traditions should no longer have a place in today's world.
For example, in Portugal and Spain they have the "tourada", a fight between a bull and men on horseback and on foot. This is done in a round shaped arena, with public viewing and cheering. The men have "picadores", sharp poles they use to pierce the muscle on the back of the bull's neck in order to straighten the bull's charge and fatigue the bull as it tries to lift the horse with its head. A picador is like a fishing hook that can't be removed so once the bull has been pierced the animal keeps bleeding. There are several parts of the show but the end is always the same : the "matador" plunges his or her sword between the bull's shoulders, puncturing the animal's heart and killing it. Next, a team of mules or horses drags the dead animal out of the ring.
How is the public watching of an animal being tortured considered entertainment is beyond me. I don't understand why anyone would want to buy a ticked to go watch such a thing, but many people do, because it's tradition.
Once I was talking to a Spanish friend about this and she told me something that really made me think. She too finds the "tourada" barbaric, but she gave up saying that because it made people mad at her. She told me that once people make up their mind it's very hard to make them change. "What is the solution then?" I asked. She answered "Teach the children to love animals. Show them that the animals feel pain and that hurting them is not fun. Once the children grow up they will refuse to see that kind of show and eventually it will disappear due to lack of public interest". I think she made a very good point, and one that can be applied to any number of things. Until then, I feel sorry for every animal out there that suffers in the name of "entertainment".
People try to teach children to think critically since the 17th century but religion is just now beginning to fade. If it works, it's a looong process.
 

JustGeorge

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People try to teach children to think critically since the 17th century but religion is just now beginning to fade. If it works, it's a looong process.

Despite popular belief, one can hold both religious and logical views.

Its when one tries to apply an inappropriate method that problems begin.

Or when one tries to force their way of doing/thinking/feeling on others.
 
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Heyo

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Despite popular belief, one can hold both religious and logical views.

Its when one tries to apply an inappropriate method that problems begin.

Or when one tries to force their way of doing/thinking/feeling on others.
I guess one can also love (some) animals and watch bull fighting.
"Teach your children well" is not the fastest and most effective way to get rid of social failures is what I wanted to say. Though it is a crucial part of the mix.
 

JustGeorge

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I guess one can also love (some) animals and watch bull fighting.
"Teach your children well" is not the fastest and most effective way to get rid of social failures is what I wanted to say. Though it is a crucial part of the mix.

Its always kind of confused me how someone enraged by cruelty to one species of animal can be indifferent to the cruelty of another(farm animals come to mind).

Had a friend as a kid that cautioned me not to live in some place or the other(can't remember anymore) because "they eat dogs over there". Informed her it wasn't a big deal because some people around here eat pigs...
 

Vee

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Its always kind of confused me how someone enraged by cruelty to one species of animal can be indifferent to the cruelty of another(farm animals come to mind).

Had a friend as a kid that cautioned me not to live in some place or the other(can't remember anymore) because "they eat dogs over there". Informed her it wasn't a big deal because some people around here eat pigs...

I'm not completely against killing animals to eat. But kill them fast and while they're alive, give them a good existence. What I can't stand is torturing an animal for a long period of time and have fun watching. How can anyone with a heart find that amusing?
 
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