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Trans women sports statistics

PoetPhilosopher

Veteran Member
I found this article:

Trans women retain 12% edge in tests two years after transitioning, study finds

From the link:

A groundbreaking new study on transgender athletes has found trans women retain a 12% advantage in running tests even after taking hormones for two years to suppress their testosterone. The results, researchers suggest, indicate the current International Olympic Committee guidelines may give trans women an “unfair competitive advantage” over biological women.

However the new study, based on the fitness test results and medical records of 29 trans men and 46 trans women who started gender affirming hormones while in the United States Air Force, appears to challenge the IOC’s scientific position.

The research, published in the British Journal of Sports Medicine, found that before starting their hormone treatment trans women performed 31% more push-ups and 15% more sit-ups in one minute on average than a biological women younger than 30 in the air force – and ran 1.5 miles 21% faster.

Yet after suppressing their testosterone for two years – a year longer than IOC guidelines – they were still 12% faster on average than biological females.

The trans women also retained a 10% advantage in push-ups and a 6% advantage in sit-ups for the first two years after taking hormones, before their advantage disappeared. But the researchers say they “may underestimate the advantage in strength that trans women have over cis women … because trans women will have a higher power output than cis women when performing an equivalent number of push-ups”.

The scientists conclude by saying “more than 12 months of testosterone suppression may be needed to ensure that transgender women do not have an unfair competitive advantage when participating in elite level athletic competition”.

When it initially published its transgender guidelines five years ago, the IOC said its “overriding sporting objective is and remains the guarantee of fair competition”. However, its plans to lower the testosterone limit to 5nmol/L came to nothing because the issue was so contentious. Instead the IOC indicated it wanted sports to implement their own transgender policies.

When asked for its response to the new research the IOC said it was now working on a “a framework for voluntary guidelines on the basis of gender identity and sex characteristics”, adding: “Overall, the discussions to date have confirmed considerable tension between the notions of fairness and inclusion, and the desire and need to protect the women’s category, all of which will need to be reconciled. The IOC aims to release this framework in 2021.”

The academic research also highlighted the benefits of testosterone for trans men. Before taking the hormone, they performed 43% fewer push-ups and ran 1.5 miles 15% slower than their male peers. But after one year there was no longer any difference in push-ups or run time, and the number of sit-ups performed by trans men exceeded the average performance of their male peers.

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This article cites some real statistics on trans women vs. others in regards to sports.

So some of us had it wrong. Trans women may perform neither like men nor cis women when it comes to sports, but in between.

My personal opinion is that while I do see them as possibly being closer to cis women on the scale than cis men... yeah, there could be an advantage if this article, which seems to be from a credible source which also cites a credible, peer-reviewed original source, is true.
 
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ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
I found this article:

Trans women retain 12% edge in tests two years after transitioning, study finds

From the link:



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This article cites some real statistics on trans women vs. others in regards to sports.

So some of us had it wrong. Trans women may perform neither like men nor cis women when it comes to sports, but in between.

My personal opinion is that while I do see them as possibly being closer to cis women on the scale than cis men... yeah, there could be an advantage if this article, which seems to be from a credible source which also cites a credible, peer-reviewed original source, is true.
Does the study say anything about trans women who were put on puberty blockers, or is it only a study on trans people who have had hormone replacement therapy?
 

ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
I don't see how puberty blockers matter much here. Maybe I'm misunderstanding. Care to elaborate?
Puberty blockers can have a huge impact on physiology, especially when a trans woman does not experience a male puberty. I am just interested in whether those factors are taken into account - after all, not all trans people transition the same way, so there is no one singular "trans" category.

However, as a means purely of testing the current Olympic guidelines regarding trans athletes, I think these findings are important and indicate that further consideration is needed at the very least.
 

PoetPhilosopher

Veteran Member
Puberty blockers can have a huge impact on physiology, especially when a trans woman does not experience a male puberty. I am just interested in whether those factors are taken into account - after all, not all trans people transition the same way, so there is no one singular "trans" category.

Okay, I follow now. You're right, that is a consideration. Although, I for one don't credit the puberty blockers themselves, so much as these women not experiencing a male puberty. I don't know how to describe the nuances further though, and doing so may also require me to brush up on law & current trends as to what underaged women are allowed to do as part of transitioning in the US.
 

PoetPhilosopher

Veteran Member
To the best of my knowledge, what the puberty blockers do is delay puberty for a time until a trans person can get on hormone replacement therapy.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I found this article:

Trans women retain 12% edge in tests two years after transitioning, study finds

From the link:



***

This article cites some real statistics on trans women vs. others in regards to sports.

So some of us had it wrong. Trans women may perform neither like men nor cis women when it comes to sports, but in between.

My personal opinion is that while I do see them as possibly being closer to cis women on the scale than cis men... yeah, there could be an advantage if this article, which seems to be from a credible source which also cites a credible, peer-reviewed original source, is true.
I'd be interested in seeing how well trans men are faring in sports.
 

Aštra’el

Aštara, Blade of Aštoreth
I’ve been an athlete all my life in one form or another. I’ve trained with countless males and females, and still do to this day. The differences are obvious, and that’s just the reality. Women have their own divisions to preserve their own records and achievements, to give them a safer and more balanced playing field somewhere where they can enjoy and discover their own paths to physical improvement and athletic success away from the opposite sex.
 

Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
The research, published in the British Journal of Sports Medicine, found that before starting their hormone treatment trans women performed 31% more push-ups and 15% more sit-ups in one minute on average than a biological women younger than 30 in the air force – and ran 1.5 miles 21% faster.

Yet after suppressing their testosterone for two years – a year longer than IOC guidelines – they were still 12% faster on average than biological females.

The trans women also retained a 10% advantage in push-ups and a 6% advantage in sit-ups for the first two years after taking hormones, before their advantage disappeared. But the researchers say they “may underestimate the advantage in strength that trans women have over cis women … because trans women will have a higher power output than cis women when performing an equivalent number of push-ups”.

Do we actually know that an advantage in doing push-ups and sit-ups confers any advantage at all to common competitive sports ?
 

Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
Women have their own divisions to preserve their own records and achievements, to give them a safer and more balanced playing field somewhere where they can enjoy and discover their own paths to physical improvement and athletic success away from the opposite sex.
But not all women, of course.
 

Friend of Mara

Active Member
Trans women have been in the Olympics for decades. Trans women have been in US highschool sports also for years. No one ever noticed.

Overall I feel this is a non-issue in the overall list of things requiring attention.
 

night912

Well-Known Member
Does the study say anything about trans women who were put on puberty blockers, or is it only a study on trans people who have had hormone replacement therapy?
That's one of the thing that the study did not have data on. Other data that the study had no control over, therefore lacking the data are, the hormone treatment plan for the individual transmen/women and their testosterone levels. Another is the lack of access to each service member's own daily exercise routine.
 

night912

Well-Known Member
One thing to consider is the individual sports that a transwoman is participating in. A lot of sports do have certain weight class. So this is something to consider about as well.
 
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