Trinitarians monotheists?

[SpentaMaynu]

Can Christians who believe in the trinity still be called monotheists? The Hindu trimurti (Brahma-Shiva-Vishnu) adn the Egyptian gods Osiris-Isis-Horus are still seen as three seperate gods. I don't suggest politheism as I know Christians worship 1 God, 3 Persons. I know the term trinitarianism exists but this term are used together with the term monotheism by thes Christians. Monotheism, in my mind, is 1 God only. No other religion, as far as I know, has ever claimed to worship a god or gods while they are also different persons...

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

The trinitarian belief might be seen as polytheistic.
However the dogma that supports it, was composed to enable Christians to see The trinity as a single God.
At the time following Jesus death such considerations had never been thought about.
I prefer to see Jesus as the Son Of God, and I take a Unitarian view of God.
I do not see the Holy Spirit as a problem either, nor do I feel the need to explain his nature.

 

[Shiranui117]

We Trinitarians believe in only one God, and we are therefore monotheists, no matter which way someone tries to warp the doctrine of the Trinity.

 

[Dinner123]

Can Christians who believe in the trinity still be called monotheists? The Hindu trimurti (Brahma-Shiva-Vishnu) adn the Egyptian gods Osiris-Isis-Horus are still seen as three seperate gods. I don't suggest politheism as I know Christians worship 1 God, 3 Persons. I know the term trinitarianism exists but this term are used together with the term monotheism by thes Christians. Monotheism, in my mind, is 1 God only. No other religion, as far as I know, has ever claimed to worship a god or gods while they are also different persons...

That depends, since there are so many different versions of the trinity depending on who you ask. Some people you could hardly call monotheists. Others you can.

Truth is holy Spirit, Father, Son are all the same God. Not a trinity.

 

[Xian Catalyst]

Can Christians who believe in the trinity still be called monotheists? The Hindu trimurti (Brahma-Shiva-Vishnu) adn the Egyptian gods Osiris-Isis-Horus are still seen as three seperate gods. I don't suggest politheism as I know Christians worship 1 God, 3 Persons. I know the term trinitarianism exists but this term are used together with the term monotheism by thes Christians. Monotheism, in my mind, is 1 God only. No other religion, as far as I know, has ever claimed to worship a god or gods while they are also different persons...

Would you like a list of things that make Xianity different? That is but one of a long list.

A good second one is, all those other faiths, teach you how to be a bigger and better you. Christianity teaches you to die to self and put others first. We must become weak, not strong.

 

[sarek]

I think the trinity is in fact an aspect of a single God. It all depends on the viewpoint of the beholder. For us, way down the ladder of creation, the trinitarian aspect is all we can perceive.

 

[BlandOatmeal]

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[Xian Catalyst]

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I think God is more exponentially existant. Rather than adding you were supposed to be MULTIPLYING, after all He created all and said let it multiply.

1x1x1=1 All day, every day.

 

[SpentaMaynu]

Would you like a list of things that make Xianity different? That is but one of a long list.

A good second one is, all those other faiths, teach you how to be a bigger and better you. Christianity teaches you to die to self and put others first. We must become weak, not strong.

Haha no need. I actually grew up Christian (in a pastors house), studied Theology also. It was just a question that came to mind the other day and I wanted to hear if there was a possibility of placing Trinitarians in a different category apart from monotheism while at the same time NOT calling them polytheists. I understand the theology behind the trinity (or rather the different perceptions thereof including the 1x1x1=1) but thanks anyway - I can never read about such interesting subjects enough.

 

[Xian Catalyst]

Haha no need. I actually grew up Christian (in a pastors house), studied Theology also. It was just a question that came to mind the other day and I wanted to hear if there was a possibility of placing Trinitarians in a different category apart from monotheism while at the same time NOT calling them polytheists. I understand the theology behind the trinity (or rather the different perceptions thereof including the 1x1x1=1) but thanks anyway - I can never read about such interesting subjects enough.

Fair enough. I was nearly scared to ask. That's a big door that could have opened.

 

[BlandOatmeal]

I think God is more exponentially existant. Rather than adding you were supposed to be MULTIPLYING, after all He created all and said let it multiply.

1x1x1=1 All day, every day.

Is that the Party line? I don't recall Mother Church coming up with that. The last I saw, they were using "is" and "is not", in Euler Circle fashion. By that logic, God is not a person but a classification; but the scriptures describe Him as a person (though not a mortal). The "Euler Circle" formulation sounds suspiciously like Hinduism, not like the Bible.

Trinitarians may fancy whatever they want about God. Jesus was not a Trinitarian, but a Messianic Jew; and he only prayed to one, singular God, the same as other Jews do to this day. I follow Jesus, in this respect.

 

[SpentaMaynu]

Is that the Party line? I don't recall Mother Church coming up with that. The last I saw, they were using "is" and "is not", in Euler Circle fashion. By that logic, God is not a person but a classification; but the scriptures describe Him as a person (though not a mortal). The "Euler Circle" formulation sounds suspiciously like Hinduism, not like the Bible.

By 'Mother Church' here do you refer to the Church in general or your own church/denomination only? The reason why I ask is because you will be surprised how many different points of views there is in the Church.
With regard to the fact that the Euler Circle sounds suspiciously like Hinduism - I'm pretty sure that if you read widely on any religion you will find that there is lots and lots where they sounds suspiciously like each other... but I'm not a Christian myself anymore so I might be biased and, except for that, I don't judge your point of view; just pointing out a point that seems obvious for me.

Trinitarians may fancy whatever they want about God. Jesus was not a Trinitarian, but a Messianic Jew; and he only prayed to one, singular God, the same as other Jews do to this day. I follow Jesus, in this respect.

If I'm understanding you correctly here then you are also not a Trinitarian? And by follow, do you mean worship or just do as He did?:shout

 

[Xian Catalyst]

Is that the Party line? I don't recall Mother Church coming up with that. The last I saw, they were using "is" and "is not", in Euler Circle fashion. By that logic, God is not a person but a classification; but the scriptures describe Him as a person (though not a mortal). The "Euler Circle" formulation sounds suspiciously like Hinduism, not like the Bible.

God is not a person. God is more than a person. PERSON is an anthropomorphic term because we have to use things we can understand to describe Him. NONE of them fit Him completely, all of them fit him in parts, in context. If you try to use an anthropomorphism as a WHOLE definition, it's akin to taking an analogy, and using it's flaws to defeat an argument. That's attacking the analogy, not the argument. It's a logical fallacy.

I wasn't speaking for any party. So you can keep your party line comment for those that are.

Trinitarians may fancy whatever they want about God. Jesus was not a Trinitarian, but a Messianic Jew; and he only prayed to one, singular God, the same as other Jews do to this day. I follow Jesus, in this respect.

You have much pride in your view. I'd say, inherently that makes it flawed. It's not a relevant conversation, theologically.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Yes, we Trinitarians are monotheistic. There is no other religion that has existed that has our view of Deity, to my knowledge. We're the only ones who view God in such a way. Comparisons of the Christian doctrine of the Trinity to pagan conceptions of divinity are false.

 

[WordSponge]

Would you like a list of things that make Xianity different? That is but one of a long list.

A good second one is, all those other faiths, teach you how to be a bigger and better you. Christianity teaches you to die to self and put others first. We must become weak, not strong.

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Hello,

Moses taught Monotheism according to Jesus' prerogative and instructions to him.
Someone will get way laid if Jesus
is not known to be the (EXCLUSIVE, ONE) God of the nation of Israel ONLY.
Jesus' identity is one of the secrets/ mysteries of the Christians.

Deut.6 ..Moses:
[4] Hear, O (nation of) Israel (not Gentiles and not the Church):
The LORD our (own Israelite) God is one LORD >> (the Jesus of Christinity)

Jesus and his Father hid the fact about his Father and his GOD
from the majority of the CHildren of Israel.
This was because of their disrespect/ disregard for him. (Pss.25:14)

Pss.25
[14] The secret of the LORD (Jesus, about his Father)
is with them (like David and the Prophets) who fear/ respect/ regard him
and he (Jesus) will shew (reveal to) them his covenant (his Father).
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John.14
[8] Philip (the chosen Apostle) saith to him
LORD (Jesus, God of Israel # 2):
Show (Pss.25:14) us, the (your) Father (#1) and it suffices (is adequate for) us.

Jesus taught his Apostles about his Father and his God.
The Apostles taught the other Christians about BOTH, whether Israelite or Gentile.

Luke.10
[21] In that hour Jesus rejoiced in (his) spirit and he said:
I thank you, O Father, Lord (king) of heaven and earth,
that you have >> hidden these matters (knowlegde)
from the wise and prudent (in their own eyes)
and you have revealed (disclosed) them to (compliant) babes:
even so Father; for so it seemed good in your (unprejudiced) sight.
[22] All things are given to me (the incarnated God of Israel)
of/ by my Father (who is the owner)
and no man (of Israel) knows
(1) who the Son (of GOD) is but the Father
and no man (of Israel) knows (2) who the/ my Father is but the Son (of GOD),
and he (the Apostle) to whom the Son (of GOD) will reveal him.
[23] Jesus turned himself to his disciples (Apostles)
and said privately,(whispered secretly to them)
Blessed are the eyes who see the things that you (Apostles) see:

John.16
[25] I (the LORD from heaven) have said these things in proverbs to you (Apostles)
but the time is coming, when I shall no longer speak to you (Apostles) in proverbs
but I (the Moses taught ONE God of Israel; # 2)
shall plainly show/ reveal/ disclose to you (Apostles) about my Father (#1)

Jesus, the incarnated God of Israel,
restored the religion of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and it was called Christianity.

Isa.61
[1] The Spirit of the Lord GOD (the Father)
is upon me (Jesus the incarnated Temple God of Israel)..
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[4] and the (Apostles) shall build the old wastes >> (rebuild the old Teachings)
they (the Apostles) shall raise up (erect) the past destructions (of Teachings)
and they (the Apostles) shall repair the waste cities (Teachings = dwellings),
(that are) the destructions (of teachings) of/ by many (Israelie) generations.

1 John.2
[21] I have not written to you (Christians) because you know not the truth,
but because you know it and that no lie is of the truth.
[22] Who is a liar but he (the Israelite)
who denies (the fact) that Jesus is the Christ?
He is antichrist, who denies the Father (1) and the Son (2)
[23] Whoever denies (firstly) the Son the same does not have the Father:
(but) he who acknowledges the Son (the God of Israel) has the Father also.

We must fix/ raise up/ correct to the original baptism, and we are back on tract.
Jesus will be back physically and he knows what was hidden and what he taught.

At present he and his Father are with his/ their sheep.

Grace to all.