Trump attacks Mueller on Twitter

[Riders]

So according to the daily beast Trump is upset about Muellers supeona for his oganization to hand over documents on Russian collusion and his taxes.


He was so nervous and edgy about it he attacked Mueller on Twitter. How did this happen? All you Trump supporters keep saying this stuff means nothing hes not in trouble presidents cant get into trouble then why the attack on twitter?

People in the white house told Daily Beast hes been irritated at Meuller, why the irritaion unless hes being investigated for serioius crimes?

 

[Quetzal]

It is pretty clear there is something substantial going on. To who and what extent we can't be sure. My feeling is the investigation is going to be completed regardless of what cheeto-in-chief decides to do.

 

[idav]

So according to the daily beast Trump is upset about Muellers supeona for his oganization to hand over documents on Russian collusion and his taxes.


He was so nervous and edgy about it he attacked Mueller on Twitter. How did this happen? All you Trump supporters keep saying this stuff means nothing hes not in trouble presidents cant get into trouble then why the attack on twitter.

People in the white house told Daily Beast hes been irritated at Meuller, why the irritaion unless hes being investigated for serioius crimes?

Here is my take. I believe that Trump becoming president pretty much opened up a can of worms for him that he didn't want happening. If he hadn't hired a bunch of shady people into his campaign it may not have gone this far. People investigating a business or IRS is hardly good for anyone even people trying to do legitimate business dealings. However we are talking about a person that loves to ride the line between unethical business and outright illegal. That only spells trouble for Trump companies which is why I think Trump would tweet to Mueller that he is crossing a red line by investigating his businesses. Well people are tired of corrupt businesses and corrupt politicians, I hope justice prevails.

Here is the latest on Kushner. Even as horrible as the article below on Kushner Cos is , its only a misdemeanor and small fine in exchange for millions in profits. Thats the same kind of shady Trump loves.
Kushner Cos. filed false documents to boost building profits, report says

 

[Mindmaster]

So according to the daily beast Trump is upset about Muellers supeona for his oganization to hand over documents on Russian collusion and his taxes.


He was so nervous and edgy about it he attacked Mueller on Twitter. How did this happen? All you Trump supporters keep saying this stuff means nothing hes not in trouble presidents cant get into trouble then why the attack on twitter?

People in the white house told Daily Beast hes been irritated at Meuller, why the irritaion unless hes being investigated for serioius crimes?

I think anyone is irritated by constant investigations, regardless of whether they seem warranted or not. I'm perfectly O.K. with someone blowing off some steam.

Mueller is going to get the ax as soon as they have enough evidence to defend the action, but he was all wrapped up in the Hillary scandals so it's just a matter of time. McCabe didn't have the golden halo of being the special council on an investigation, but Mueller was involved as much as he was. From what I've been reading from some of the more respectable sites on the right side of the spectrum they already have significant evidence to prosecute both McCabe and Mueller, so it is just a matter of time. Mueller has been using weird prosecuting process for while and that is enough reason to call into question his capacity to serve the role.

Mueller Investigation: Gates Deal Violates Federal Policy | National Review

 

[BSM1]

So according to the daily beast Trump is upset about Muellers supeona for his oganization to hand over documents on Russian collusion and his taxes.


He was so nervous and edgy about it he attacked Mueller on Twitter. How did this happen? All you Trump supporters keep saying this stuff means nothing hes not in trouble presidents cant get into trouble then why the attack on twitter?

People in the white house told Daily Beast hes been irritated at Meuller, why the irritaion unless hes being investigated for serioius crimes?

Obviously Trump is simply trolling to see how many people he can make look foolish. Let me ask you a question. If Trump is this bumbling, moron that some people are convinced is the case, how could he have blatantly collude with the Russians and not leave one viable clue?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

I think anyone is irritated by constant investigations, regardless of whether they seem warranted or not. I'm perfectly O.K. with someone blowing off some steam.

Mueller is going to get the ax as soon as they have enough evidence to defend the action, but he was all wrapped up in the Hillary scandals so it's just a matter of time. McCabe didn't have the golden halo of being the special council on an investigation, but Mueller was involved as much as he was. From what I've been reading from some of the more respectable sites on the right side of the spectrum they already have significant evidence to prosecute both McCabe and Mueller, so it is just a matter of time. Mueller has been using weird prosecuting process for while and that is enough reason to call into question his capacity to serve the role.

Mueller Investigation: Gates Deal Violates Federal Policy | National Review

Prosecute Mueller... for what... specifically?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Obviously Trump is simply trolling to see how many people he can make look foolish. Let me ask you a question. If Trump is this bumbling, moron that some people are convinced is the case, how could he have blatantly collude with the Russians and not leave one viable clue?

Of course. "Obviously ".

 

[sun rise]

Trump is a very unhappy person as his picture shows and believes that he's entitled to do whatever he wants. He also revels in lying.

The investigation could show that "whatever he wants" is illegal and might be a "high crime and misdemeanor" and he hates the thought of being held accountable.

I suspect Putin's hold on him is a video of sexual antics but it might be something else. I'm withholding judgement until the facts are revealed.

 

[Mindmaster]

Prosecute Mueller... for what... specifically?

Read that article, it's sort of TLDR for this thread but raises many valid questions of what he is doing.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Read that article, it's sort of TLDR for this thread but raises many valid questions of what he is doing.

So nothing specific. Understood.

 

[Mindmaster]

So nothing specific. Understood.

We could charge that he's colluding with the people he's prosecuting, honestly. He's repeatedly inditing and re-framing the charges to something minor. To me, I feel like it's a misuse of the justice system. These people are doing serious crimes and getting off by a reclassification to a zero-to-five year charge. If he wasn't doing that many of them would be facing 30 year per count sentences so the whole thing seems strange to me. Make of that what you want, but it raises questions about Mueller's ability to do the work and it makes him appear like he's getting something from them in return.

Of course, you're free to make this 'about me' or whatever. I'm just presenting the information which seems strange. Take from it what you will or whatever. It doesn't bother me in the slightest.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

We could charge that he's colluding with the people he's prosecuting, honestly. He's repeatedly inditing and re-framing the charges to something minor. To me, I feel like it's a misuse of the justice system. These people are doing serious crimes and getting off by a reclassification to a zero-to-five year charge. If he wasn't doing that, many of them would be facing 30 year per count sentences, so the whole thing seems strange to me. Make of that what you want, but it raises questions about Mueller's ability to do the work and it makes him appear like he's getting something from them in return.

Of course, you're free to make this 'about me' or whatever. I'm just presenting the information which seems strange. Take from it what you will, or whatever. It doesn't bother me in the slightest.

Um, pretty sure plea deals and agreements are legal, but whatever.

 

[Mindmaster]

Um, pretty sure plea deals and agreements are legal, but whatever.

They are, but they are strange.

In this case, it's not about pleas but about re-framing the prosecution to avoid congressionally mandated sentences. I can't be the only one that finds this a bit odd. Also, all of the people being prosecuted have histories of lying in their testimony - this would be grounds to reject their contributions in another case and have it dismissed. I don't feel that can be 'it', because it has no basis in fact.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Mueller has been using weird prosecuting process for while and that is enough reason to call into question his capacity to serve the role.

Not for me or millions of others who support Mueller and his efforts.

I like his style. He seems to be all business, honest, and is conducting a massive investigation that appears to be quite efficient.

Shouldn't every patriotic American want to get to the bottom of this, however low that bottom is, and hold accountable any that are guilty of crimes? When I see any attitude other than that one, I question the source's priorities.

Do you want this investigation to end before it concludes naturally? If so, why? Do you not care if the president has committed serious crimes against the nation? I do.

If Trump is this bumbling, moron that some people are convinced is the case, how could he have blatantly collude with the Russians and not leave one viable clue?

If you haven't found a viable clue yet, then you aren't looking.

We've got the inebriated Papadopoulus' indiscretion reporting that Trump had that Trump had been notified that the Russians had dirt on Hillary.

Then you have Trump on television inviting the Russians to hack her (is that "bumbling" or "moronic?").

Then you have the June 9, 2016 meeting in which the Trump campaign had been offered dirt on Hillary, and Trump's effort to cover that up with a lie abut Russian adoptions

Then you've got the sheer number of people in Trump's sphere with Russia connections that they lied about. Why are there so many of them there? Why did they all need to feel they needed to lie?

A possible explanation is that Putin selected those people. He would know better than Trump who could be manipulated from Moscow. That doesn't necessarily point to colluding with election tampering per se, but it does raise the specter of an unsavory relationship between Trump and Putin that needs to be uncovered.

 

[Falvlun]

I think anyone is irritated by constant investigations, regardless of whether they seem warranted or not. I'm perfectly O.K. with someone blowing off some steam.

“Constant investigations”? It’s been less than a year and all the investigation(s) have been about the same thing: Did Russia work to undermine our election and did the Trump campaign work with them?

This is not unreasonable or onerous. Put in perspective of the Republicans pursuit of investigations against both Clintons, it’s a drop in the bucket.

Mueller is going to get the ax as soon as they have enough evidence to defend the action, but he was all wrapped up in the Hillary scandals so it's just a matter of time. McCabe didn't have the golden halo of being the special council on an investigation, but Mueller was involved as much as he was. From what I've been reading from some of the more respectable sites on the right side of the spectrum they already have significant evidence to prosecute both McCabe and Mueller, so it is just a matter of time. Mueller has been using weird prosecuting process for while and that is enough reason to call into question his capacity to serve the role.

Mueller Investigation: Gates Deal Violates Federal Policy | National Review

The article’s main points seem to be that 1) Mueller is going beyond his mandate and 2) He is allowing people to plead guilty to minor offenses after indicting for major crimes.

1) The DOJ’s order for the Special Counsel includes “any matters that arose or may directly arise from the investigation.” So the article is incorrect in its assertion that Mueller is restricted to matters relating to Russia’s meddling or possible Trump collusion.

2) That’s literally what a plea deal is. Charge them with a serious crime and then allow them to plea to a lesser crime or for lesser punishment. Perhaps @Nous could review to further explain.

Furthermore, the article makes an odd assertion in its opening paragraphs: “Rosenstein, instead, put the cart before the horse: Mueller was invited to conduct a fishing expedition, a boundless quest to hunt for undiscovered crimes, rather than an investigation and prosecution of known crimes.”



We’re only supposed to investigate after we know a crime was committed? How is that supposed to work? How do you find out if a crime was committed before an investigation finds out that a crime was committed? And worse, wouldn’t that require a presumption of guilt: prior to investigation, the article is claiming we should already know that the crime was committed!

 

[Mindmaster]

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We’re only supposed to investigate after we know a crime was committed? How is that supposed to work? How do you find out if a crime was committed before an investigation finds out that a crime was committed? And worse, wouldn’t that require a presumption of guilt: prior to investigation, the article is claiming we should already know that the crime was committed!

I understand what a plea deal is, but usually to do not give them to people who have proven to give false testimony as that evidence would be inadmissible in any court. The Russian investigation has gone way out of scope given that people tiers of levels away from the campaign including Trump's businesses are under scrutiny. It doesn't even make sense that people in those operations would have much to do with the campaign, so what's going on?

How does this investigation require a special council when it has left the building at the DOJ? He may lose every single case he presents because of over-reach. It'll be called into question even why he knows what he knows and why he was even looking. It's going to be civil rights violation after violation, and a whole **** show. Don't trust me though, just wait.

 

[Quetzal]

Obviously Trump is simply trolling to see how many people he can make look foolish. Let me ask you a question. If Trump is this bumbling, moron that some people are convinced is the case, how could he have blatantly collude with the Russians and not leave one viable clue?

You are making an assumption that nothing has been found. If there was "not...one viable clue", Mueller would have stopped a long time ago and this would have all gone away. I am not saying there is enough to condemn him, but both sides are making assumptions and claims that we don't know yet.

 

[metis]

If Trump is this bumbling, moron that some people are convinced is the case, how could he have blatantly collude with the Russians and not leave one viable clue?

Again, you simply cannot know what Mueller may have or not have.

 

[Falvlun]

I understand what a plea deal is, but usually to do not give them to people who have proven to give false testimony as that evidence would be inadmissible in any court.

I am not sure if that is true. After all, I suspect that most plea dealers have lied to the prosecution: “I was not involved in that crime!” “We have this evidence that you did and if you don’t talk, it’ll be worse for you!” “Oh, I remember now that I was involved in that crime!”

The Russian investigation has gone way out of scope given that people tiers of levels away from the campaign including Trump's businesses are under scrutiny. It doesn't even make sense that people in those operations would have much to do with the campaign, so what's going on?

How do you figure that it’s “tiers of levels away”? In an investigation about Russia and Trump’s campaign, the indictments have been of Russians and people in Trump’s campaign. That’s about as close as you get.

Likewise, a man’s business isn’t tiers away from the man himself. Trump is closely involved with his company. And if money is involved (like payments from Russia), his business is the most likely place to find evidence. This isn’t rocket science.

How does this investigation require a special council when it has left the building at the DOJ? He may lose every single case he presents because of over-reach. It'll be called into question even why he knows what he knows and why he was even looking. It's going to be civil rights violation after violation, and a whole **** show. Don't trust me though, just wait.

I don’t understand your first question.

As for overreach and civil rights violations, it’s hard to believe that this investigation involves such after seeing the relentless investigating of Hilary Clinton (or all the torturous wanderings of ken star’s whitewater investigation.) Do you have any evidence of overreach or civil rights violations besides your above debunked “tiers of levels away” theory?

 

[Quetzal]

Again, you simply cannot know what Mueller may have or not have.

Correct. So whenever a post like this crops up, we can speculate but that is about it.