Trump AWOL

[Windwalker]

When will people look up what constitutes treason and quit misapplying the term

Okay. "the crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government." I'd say he's betrayed America on much more than just one occasion. It's a pattern. Trying to steal an election, for one thing, is an attempt to overthrow the legally elected government. He's doing that right now.

Turning his back on America while we are being killed by an out-of control virus, and going out to play golf instead, can also be seen a betrayal of America who put their trust in him. If not, it certainly does go to speak of his lack of compassion for anyone he is supposed to leading. Wholly unqualified as both a president, and a person.

 

[Revoltingest]

Any system can be altered to include one. To think otherwise is to be naive.

You offer it as a realistic & likely possibility.
But more is needed than this commonly tossed accusation.
In our couple centuries of governance, how many Presidents
have actually become dictators?
What has Trump done to effect seizing of such power?

Note that Trump's actions have been within the system,
& this same system has often shut him down when he
exceeded constitutional authority. This includes his antics
to remain in office after losing re-election.

 

[Revoltingest]

Kind of a facile analysis.
That would make every politician a traitor.

No, "treason" is only when the other side does something objectionable.
So it's only about half of politicians.

 

[Left Coast]

We Libertarians look down upon all others
because we had to escape to higher ground.
I generally don't claim greater morality or smarts.

Neither do I. But I'm one of those awful Democrats! so perhaps your generalization, like @Goddess Kit's, is not as true as you think.

 

[Audie]

Okay. "the crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government."

I'd say he's betrayed America on much more than just one occasion. It's a pattern. Trying to steal an election, for one thing, is an attempt to overthrow the legally elected government. He's doing that right now. Turning his back on America while we are being killed by an out-of control virus, and going out to play golf instead, can also be seen a betrayal of America who put their trust in him.

Matters of opinion on things not considered treasonous, sorry ah.

 

[Windwalker]

Matters of opinion on things not considered treasonous, sorry ah.

Trying to steal an election, is not a matter of opinion.

 

[Revoltingest]

Neither do I. But I'm one of those awful Democrats! so perhaps your generalization, like @Goddess Kit's, is not as true as you think.

Of course, my many Democrat & Republican friends know that such
generalities are just that....general....not applicable to each & every.
But still, the tendencies to see one's group as inherently better than
the other are still there.
BTW, long ago I actually believed we libertarians were better.
I was fortunate that the broader perspective of age & experience
cured that problem. Now it's all just personal preference.

 

[Audie]

Trying to steal an election, is not a matter of opinion.

A. It is a matter of opinion as to whether anyone is doing that.

B. It is not defined as treason

C. The constitution of the USA is not subject to your opinion.

 

[Revoltingest]

Trying to steal an election, is not a matter of opinion.

The claim is.

 

[Audie]

Like Democrats pursuing the Vietnam War using
draftees....a horror ended by Nixon (a Republican).
This average (slightly below, actually) citizen
benefited greatly.

Democrats & Republicans....each are so convinced
of their moral, intellectual, & political superiority.
Broader perspectives could help alleviate that.

Even micrp- c persons have read about the
Phony gulf of Tonkin affair, and the LBJ credibility gap, from the days when they were more genteel about the wotd LIAR.

 

[Revoltingest]

Even micrp- c persons have read about the
Phony gulf of Tonkin affair, and the LBJ credibility gap, from the days when they were more genteel about the wotd LIAR.

For you it's history.
For me...current events.

 

[Audie]

Okay. "the crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government." I'd say he's betrayed America on much more than just one occasion. It's a pattern. Trying to steal an election, for one thing, is an attempt to overthrow the legally elected government. He's doing that right now.

Turning his back on America while we are being killed by an out-of control virus, and going out to play golf instead, can also be seen a betrayal of America who put their trust in him. If not, it certainly does go to speak of his lack of compassion for anyone he is supposed to leading. Wholly unqualified as both a president, and a person.

You looked in the wrong place. Check ye consitution.

 

[Sunstone]

Witnessing several elections throughout a lifetime, wouldn't you also agree that the next Republican elect is always worse than the previous?

That's quite an interesting point, but I would need to think carefully about it.

 

[Audie]

For you it's history.
For me...current eveconstitution.

I guess it is for a lot of people. As for the war,
the Vietnamese got over it and are very friendly with Americans. More than with Chinese, for sure.

 

[Revoltingest]

I guess it is for a lot of people. As for the war,
the Vietnamese got over it and are very friendly with Americans. More than with Chinese, for sure.

Fix that quote function, woman!
(Your response is inside it. I had to work some magic to show it.)
I never had anything against the Vietnamese (North or South).
I know a number of them who moved here.
Even the Vietnam vets I know harbor no hostilities toward them.

 

[Sunstone]

I don't agree with the statement.

I am a pastor of a relatively small flock but need a time of rest and relaxation. How much more the President? He already is the first one up an the last one to sleep (figuratively speaking) - and has just run a race of an election... can he not rest?

I would agree he should let Biden have a briefing... but just to remind you that Gore held the process for 37 days and it still all worked out... so not really "endangering the country".

I understand what you're saying about the need for rest and relaxation, but are you overlooking the fact that we have a pandemic going on which each day is killing more Americans on average than the daily death rate for US soldiers during the Viet Nam War, and which little to nothing has been done about in comparison to what the presidents and leaders of many other nations have done about it. Are you still prepared to say Mr. Trump should be taking time off?

 

[Secret Chief]

facile analysis

Hey don't shoot the messenger; quoted statements of fact, no analysis.

 

[Polymath257]

I don't agree with the statement.

I am a pastor of a relatively small flock but need a time of rest and relaxation. How much more the President? He already is the first one up an the last one to sleep (figuratively speaking) - and has just run a race of an election... can he not rest?

He was the one that criticized Obama for golfing so much. But Trump has golfed far more than Obama. he is also ignoring the business of the country during a crisis. That is NOT the time to be taking a golf trip.

I would agree he should let Biden have a briefing... but just to remind you that Gore held the process for 37 days and it still all worked out... so not really "endangering the country".

Gore got intelligence briefings and was allowed to start the transition process even though he eventually lost.

So, yes, it *is* endangering the country by making the transition less smooth.

 

[Left Coast]

Of course, my many Democrat & Republican friends know that such
generalities are just that....general....not applicable to each & every.

Of course. And I took Goddess' generality in the same light, of course.

But still, the tendencies to see one's group as inherently better than
the other are still there.

No doubt.

BTW, long ago I actually believed we libertarians were better.
I was fortunate that the broader perspective of age & experience
cured that problem. Now it's all just personal preference.

Fascinating how our perspectives change with time, isn't it?

 

[Kenny]

He was the one that criticized Obama for golfing so much. But Trump has golfed far more than Obama. he is also ignoring the business of the country during a crisis. That is NOT the time to be taking a golf trip.

I don't think he is ignoring any crisis. I would a agree that if he criticized Obama... then what goes around comes around. However, I neither criticized Obama on golfing nor do I criticize Trump on the issue.

Gore got intelligence briefings and was allowed to start the transition process even though he eventually lost.

So, yes, it *is* endangering the country by making the transition less smooth.

I agree that Biden should have intelligence briefings. In addition, he did so when he was VP.