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Trump campaigns in the west as the west burns

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
While the refusal of older-generation Republicans to take human-induced climate change seriously is unfortunate, it is a sentiment not shared by younger Republicans. This refusal to take it seriously also vastly transcends the current "president" and there is little reason to make the denialism about them. They don't deserve the attention. Democrats in this country have frankly been no less guilty of pandering to unsustainable status quo policies in most cases. Scientists were warning humanity about this decades ago.

That's worth saying again: scientists were warning humanity about the impacts of their behavior on the planet decades ago.
One of the better representations of this is the World Scientist's Warning to Humanity, published three decades ago now and reiterated recently. They've even put together one specifically on climate: World Scientists’ Warning of a Climate Emergency
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
While the refusal of older-generation Republicans to take human-induced climate change seriously is unfortunate, it is a sentiment not shared by younger Republicans. This refusal to take it seriously also vastly transcends the current "president" and there is little reason to make the denialism about them. They don't deserve the attention. Democrats in this country have frankly been no less guilty of pandering to unsustainable status quo policies in most cases. Scientists were warning humanity about this decades ago.

That's worth saying again: scientists were warning humanity about the impacts of their behavior on the planet decades ago.
One of the better representations of this is the World Scientist's Warning to Humanity, published three decades ago now and reiterated recently. They've even put together one specifically on climate: World Scientists’ Warning of a Climate Emergency

I would blame it on reactive human nature.

Complacency ends when the pain actually starts. I suspect everyone will be on board if and when that happens.
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
I would blame it on reactive human nature.

Complacency ends when the pain actually starts. I suspect everyone will be on board if and when that happens.

Yeah, I had a couple more paragraphs I wrote that I edited out that mentioned this. However, my assessment was much more pessimistic because environmental effects are generally too subtle, graduate, and abstract to be processed by animals. Animals only react well to obvious threats, so changes that happen over long periods of time (by "long" I mean a year or more for humans) don't elicit a response. There's no need.

I suppose, technically, there's still no need. It's not as if mass extinction events and significant alterations of earth's habitats are anything new. It happened before, it'll happen again. Global climate change has always been a herald of such things, it's just... there are no words to describe how disgusting it is that the present mass extinction is human-induced. Humans aren't outraged about this either because they are too anthropocentric to care or aren't paying attention. Probably both.
 

Bear Wild

Well-Known Member
All candidates running for office are campaigning as the west burns.
Would you expect otherwise?
I would not expect them not to go. I am only pointing out the irony that Trump went to Reno amidst the horrific fires burning California and Oregon that have been influenced by the climate change that Trump denies and push to increase the use of fossil fuels. Despite being adjacent to a tragic event impacting so many lives Trump will ignore its existence as he ignores the corona virus and science in general.

It is Trump and his supporters who prefer conspiracy theories over scientific evidence and now with an increasing number of false claims that left wing radicles who control Biden started all of the fires to create anarchy and lawlessness.
 

Bear Wild

Well-Known Member
Why would they be when it's not them personally who is under threat?

Clearly this president has a dysfunctional Insula part of his brain with no capacity of empathy towards those suffering from these fires. The stories are devastating including the man who was driving toward his home trying to rescue his family when he saw a woman in the road whos feet were burned until there was bone showing and burns over the body including the face with her lips so charred that she could not speak. After he got her into the vehicle to rescue her and tried to explain that he had to rescue his family did she communicate enough for him to realize the woman was his wife.
 

Bear Wild

Well-Known Member
What a completely non sequitur post....
Maybe for someone who does not see the terrible irony of the connection between Trumps actions and the severity of the fires. Anyone else that accepts the science and Trumps actions will see the connection.
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
Maybe for someone who does not see the terrible irony of the connection between Trumps actions and the severity of the fires. Anyone else that accepts the science and Trumps actions will see the connection.

Good Grief. You're lucky Trump is busy eating babies or he'd really have time to rock your world.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I would not expect them not to go. I am only pointing out the irony that Trump went to Reno amidst the horrific fires burning California and Oregon that have been influenced by the climate change that Trump denies and push to increase the use of fossil fuels. Despite being adjacent to a tragic event impacting so many lives Trump will ignore its existence as he ignores the corona virus and science in general.

It is Trump and his supporters who prefer conspiracy theories over scientific evidence and now with an increasing number of false claims that left wing radicles who control Biden started all of the fires to create anarchy and lawlessness.
Irony abounds.
But I've long been battling conspiracies on both sides of the aisle.
 

Bear Wild

Well-Known Member
Irony abounds.
But I've long been battling conspiracies on both sides of the aisle.

No doubt that there are conspiracy theories on both sides but Climate change is not a conspiracy theory. Saying that left wing radicles set all of the fires in the west as from Qanon members claim happened is . Trump denying climate change is not a conspiracy but a documented reality. The results of climate change are also real and being felt in our world.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
No doubt that there are conspiracy theories on both sides but Climate change is not a conspiracy theory. Saying that left wing radicles set all of the fires in the west as from Qanon members claim happened is . Trump denying climate change is not a conspiracy but a documented reality. The results of climate change are also real and being felt in our world.
I've no argument against climate change.
 
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