"Trump falsely accuses Obama of wiretapping his phone"

[esmith]

This is a thread about a lie from Trump. You brought up Obama.
I am trying to point out the enormous dangers presented by a dishonest and conniving president if he is in fact colluding with our most dangerous enemy.
Tom

I will believe it when proof is brought forward, until then I could give a crap

 

[Revoltingest]

Frankly having a below-average IQ score shouldn't (and doesn't) mean the inability to use logic.

Geeze....way to take a joke seriously.
But I notice that intelligence doesn't mean rational thought or freedom from prejudice.

 

[esmith]

Trump's lies are not lies just because someone believes they're lies. They're lies because they're contradicted by the facts.

Hopefully 3/4s of a century hasn't caused you to forget what a lie is.

No but I have seen plenty of bullcrap coming from your side of the political spectrum

 

[columbus]

You sure have it all figured out.

No I don't.
I am pointing out the obvious. If you have a better explanation for the whole thing, from Tramp's history, lying about his tax returns, appointing Flynn and firing Comey, etc etc. tell me what it is.

I think I am being more realistic about Trump because I am less enamored of returning to Bush administration domestic policies (before we've recovered from the last episode) and convinced that Trump is a big threat to peace.
Tom

 

[Revoltingest]

No but I have seen plenty of bullcrap coming from your side of the political spectrum

We don't see the left complain so much about Obama's apparent lies & shenanigans, eg, about Obamacare.
" If you like your plan you can keep it and you don’t have to change a thing due to the health care law."
(White House website per Factcheck.org)
Talk about treason....this is worse than Russians supposedly airing cromulent info which is
uncomfortable to Hillary.

Old Revoltistanian saying.....
If you don't want some misdeed to become known, don't commit it in the first place.

And speaking of possible treasonous foreign influence, this was in the news....
Could Russia (or Mexico) bribe the feds to regulate Drudge?

 

[columbus]

We don't see the left complain so much about Obama's apparent lies & shenanigans, eg, about Obamacare.
" If you like your plan you can keep it and you don’t have to change a thing due to the health care law."
(White House website per Factcheck.org)
Talk about treason....this is worse than Russians supposedly airing cromulent info which is
uncomfortable to Hillary.

Old Revoltistanian saying.....
If you don't want some misdeed to become known, don't commit it in the first place.

Maybe because leftists are better informed and understood what was meant? And weren't looking for reasons to dis our Esteemed Commander in Chief.
Tom

 

[Revoltingest]

No I don't.
I am pointing out the obvious.

The argument of obviousness appeals only to those who already agree.
Everyone's opinion is obvious to the one holding it.

If you have a better explanation for the whole thing, from Tramp's history, lying about his tax returns, appointing Flynn and firing Comey, etc etc. tell me what it is.

There are things you should consider....
1) Trump is a loose cannon in several regards.....
1.1) His mouth operates ahead of his brain
1.2) He lacks a buffer between mouth & brain which examines thoughts to be expressed for bone headedness.
1.3) He appears to have given insufficient thought to his worldview, leading to experience induced reversals.
2) He does not speak with precision.
3) He doesn't appear to have a highly ordered mind.
4) He's comfortable using deception as a tool.
5) If he changes his stance on something, he's loath to explain why, eg, tax return disclosure.

I think I am being more realistic about Trump because I am less enamored of returning to Bush administration domestic policies (before we've recovered from the last episode) and convinced that Trump is a big threat to peace.
Tom

I think you're more of a true believer (in his malevolence) than realistic....too eager to believe.
I have the advantage of disliking him less than do you.

 

[Nous]

Geeze....way to take a joke seriously.

Sorry if I didn't catch the joke.

But I notice that intelligence doesn't mean rational thought or freedom from prejudice.

I'm not sure how one can be intelligent without engaging in rational thought. Maybe that's a joke too.

 

[Revoltingest]

Sorry if I didn't catch the joke.
I'm not sure how one can be intelligent without engaging in rational thought. Maybe that's a joke too.

No, that one's serious.
Intelligence is commonly defined (how I use it here) as the ability to learn.
But the ability to learn does not correlate precisely with rational thought or
freedom from prejudice, eg, William Shockley's views on race & smarts.

 

[Nous]

No but I have seen plenty of bullcrap coming from your side of the political spectrum

"My side"? I don't think you're paying attention. As it concerns the discussion here, "my side" is against Presidents telling blatant lies daily.

 

[MohammadPali]

I'm surprised they haven't named any hurricanes abdullah, or khalid or some arab name. If they did, you better believe trump would apply pressure on sanctuary cities if a hurricane abdullah tried to come into these sanctuary cities or states. He might even pressure homeland security to set up special custom agents in the caribbean to make sure these mexican and arab hurricanes don't come into america illegally.

I want to know how hes going to combat arabs on flying carpets. I'm thinking he might give border agents stinger missiles,

 

[tytlyf]

There are things you should consider....
1) Trump is a loose cannon in several regards.....
1.1) His mouth operates ahead of his brain
1.2) He lacks a buffer between mouth & brain which examines thoughts to be expressed for bone headedness.
1.3) He appears to have given insufficient thought to his worldview, leading to experience induced reversals.
2) He does not speak with precision.
3) He doesn't appear to have a highly ordered mind.
4) He's comfortable using deception as a tool.
5) If he changes his stance on something, he's loath to explain why, eg, tax return disclosure.

Now you understand why he shouldn't have nuclear codes.

 

[Revoltingest]

Now you understand why he shouldn't have nuclear codes.

Only Gary Johnson could've been trusted with them.
And me, of course.

 

[Stevicus]

Only Gary Johnson could've been trusted with them.
And me, of course.

I'd hate to be the guy who has to carry around the nuclear "football" with the President's entourage.

I wonder if they keep two sets of codes - the real codes and a set of fake codes just in case they think the President has gone completely crackers and wants to nuke all the penguins in Antarctica.

I don't think Trump is that crazy though. He'd probably fire a warning shot first, just to give the penguins something to think about.

 

[Revoltingest]

I'd hate to be the guy who has to carry around the nuclear "football" with the President's entourage.

I wonder if they keep two sets of codes - the real codes and a set of fake codes just in case they think the President has gone completely crackers and wants to nuke all the penguins in Antarctica.

I don't think Trump is that crazy though. He'd probably fire a warning shot first, just to give the penguins something to think about.

I don't know whether crazy is an affectation used as a bargaining strategy or genuine.

Old Revoltistanian saying....
"True & heartfelt sincerity is a wonderful & essential quality.
Learn to fake that, & you've got it made."