Trump Indicted. To be Arrested in Days.

[Colt]

Is there a way to hold a former President accountable that could not be construed as political? And if you are against political interference, how do you feel about Jim Jordan and his GOP colleagues interfering with the indictment?

He was already held accountable for his purported fling with the porn star (which she recanted after the initial claim) but then recanted again. In the NDA Trump paid the women $130,000 extortion money in exchange for silence about consensual adultery.

The money didn’t come from donations or business expenses, it came from Trumps own pocket.

 

[Subduction Zone]

He was already held accountable for his purported fling with the porn star (which she recanted after the initial claim) but then recanted again. In the NDA Trump paid the women $130,000 extortion money in exchange for silence about consensual adultery.

The money didn’t come from donations or business expenses, it came from Trumps own pocket.

That was hardly "extortion money".. That is SOP for Trump. Try not to use misleading or improper claims when trying to debate. That only makes your case even weaker.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

If you don't realize that this is politically motivated then you don't have any credibility.

I don't have any credibility with a Trump defender?

The decision to reopen the inquiry was the DA’s and its political.

I've already told you how I feel about comments like that one: [1] I disagree, and [2] I wouldn't mind if it were. If this were nothing but an abuse of power to vex Trump, I would glad of that. Surprised, but why should I mind? Because Republican might do the same? That ship has long sailed. They already do and have since the Clinton impeachment.

There is no duty not to hang the Republicans and Trump in particular by their own petards every opportunity possible. They can reserve their more noble standards for one another and others that support America and the Constitution. One can argue that it would backfire in the long run, and if that were true would be a good reason to refrain, but I'd like to see that argument. Is Jordan going to start another vexatious committee? Will they try to depose more Democrats. Will the House Republicans try to get legislation past the Senate and Biden? Will Greene scream more? Who cares? They're already doing their worst.

Its the American people who are being played!

Not all of them. Critical thinkers are more immune to indoctrination. The ones being played are the MAGA rank and file. They are currently being milked for donations, and if Trump can incite them to violence, more will go to prison for him.

The Clinton Campaign via the DNC paid a former British MI6 agent Christopher Steele to gather accusations from Russian intel agents that was presented as reliable evidence in Americas secret FISA courts to effectively spy on the Trump organization.

Once again, I don't buy any of that rightwing indoctrination, and once again, why should I mind even if Trump were spied on? Because it's not playing by the rules? Different rules for them, just like we have different rules for foreign enemies, who we also spy on and who spy on us.

 

[pearl]

Its foolish to assume that paying off a prostitute is the only crime Trump will be charged with. I don't think we have heard the
actual indictment yet.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Its foolish to assume that paying off a prostitute is the only crime Trump will be charged with. I don't think we have heard the
actual indictment yet.

I think it was reported that there was 36 counts. But don't hold me to that.

 

[F1fan]

He was already held accountable for his purported fling with the porn star (which she recanted after the initial claim) but then recanted again.

How was he held accountable? Cohen was indicted for his part in these financial crimes and has been held accountable. Trump was long suspected of being his co-conspirator as "Individual 1". Being president helped him avoid his part in these crimes, but that protection ended aftet he lost the 2020 election. It's well established that Trump had numerous affairs with women that were in the adult entertainment industry, and their silence was paid for. His indifference to law and morality was his decision. His reputation is ruined as a result of his corrupt habits.

In the NDA Trump paid the women $130,000 extortion money in exchange for silence about consensual adultery.

So you admit there was adultery. Bill Clinton got caught. Edwards got caught. Trump is caught, in numerous affairs (including a rape case with DNA evidence starting soon). Those in high political office have to be careful. Even with the low ethical standard for republican candidates Trump is still the front runner. It's as if Trump's popularity goes up with conservative voters the more corrupt he is.

The money didn’t come from donations or business expenses, it came from Trumps own pocket.

There are election finance laws in every state and the money has to be accounted for. Santos is also being investgated for crimes in NY, as the source for hundreds of thousands of dollars can't be accounted for.

 

[pearl]

Bill Clinton got caught.

And was impeached, but for lying to Congress, not the act itself.

 

[metis]

As a known retired MI5 agent looking for Trump dirt in Russian from intel agents it’s obvious to a doorknob that anything they said to Steele would be suspect! Even so corrupt FBI agents used the dossier to get warrants.

You're referring to two agents who were removed, thus your response above did not represent what the importance was of the Steele Dossier itself.

 

[metis]

This isn't the first recent thread where you've made these kind of veiled statements.
Do you think I get my news from Fox, Breitbart, etc?
Why?

Sorry if I overreacted.

BTW, what do you get your news from, if I may ask? I'll show you mine if you show me yours.

Wait a minute!

 

[metis]

The decision to reopen the inquiry was the DA’s and its political.

He held off the recommendations to have a grand jury for around a year, although we don't know the reason why.

But what you're missing is that the grand jury itself, which is the body that actually made the decision, was composed of people off the street and could not have been hand-selected without blowing the whole process up. Either way, Trump will have his opportunity at a trial, so why did you "jump the shark" already? How in the world could you possibly know how the body was selected and how they came to their decision? How could you possibly know it was all "political"? Why do you assume guilt of the DA, whereas both basic Judeo-Christian morals and American values teach that this is repugnant?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

And Bush and Cheney were not and will not be prosecuted for war crimes and misleading the public.

The fact that Trump is the first former president to face criminal charges when Bill Clinton and George W. Bush exist is a blot on the American justice system. Every single one of the three deserves to be charged.

What makes it worse is the debate and discussions we have that are always fruitless because apparently it somehow, they say, looks worse to have a president, current or former, sitting in jail. The types who say this tend to be conservatives who believe you automatically and necessarily respect authority.

 

[pearl]

There has been a lot of speculation as Trump's behavior under questioning. That he will be his vociferous usual self.
I don't think he will be. If nothing else, Trump knows his audience.

 

[Colt]

How was he held accountable? Cohen was indicted for his part in these financial crimes and has been held accountable. Trump was long suspected of being his co-conspirator as "Individual 1". Being president helped him avoid his part in these crimes, but that protection ended aftet he lost the 2020 election. It's well established that Trump had numerous affairs with women that were in the adult entertainment industry, and their silence was paid for. His indifference to law and morality was his decision. His reputation is ruined as a result of his corrupt habits.

So you admit there was adultery. Bill Clinton got caught. Edwards got caught. Trump is caught, in numerous affairs (including a rape case with DNA evidence starting soon). Those in high political office have to be careful. Even with the low ethical standard for republican candidates Trump is still the front runner. It's as if Trump's popularity goes up with conservative voters the more corrupt he is.

There are election finance laws in every state and the money has to be accounted for. Santos is also being investgated for crimes in NY, as the source for hundreds of thousands of dollars can't be accounted for.

So “I admit it was adultery.”??????? How would I know????? I said that was her claim after not getting on the Apprentice show. She was trying to sell the story for $15,000. But then denied it happened, but then he ran for president SO she wanted more. He paid $130,000!

But none of this is about real crimes of theft or murder, it’s political. You hate Trump and true to form Leftist have a long history of imprisoning their political enemies. It’s a Pandora’s box that you guys opened and will live to regret.

 

[Colt]

He held off the recommendations to have a grand jury for around a year, although we don't know the reason why.

But what you're missing is that the grand jury itself, which is the body that actually made the decision, was composed of people off the street and could not have been hand-selected without blowing the whole process up. Either way, Trump will have his opportunity at a trial, so why did you "jump the shark" already? How in the world could you possibly know how the body was selected and how they came to their decision? How could you possibly know it was all "political"? Why do you assume guilt of the DA, whereas both basic Judeo-Christian morals and American values teach that this is repugnant?

Like it or not prosecutions such as this are inevitably political.

80% of voters in NY city went for Clinton. An impartial grand jury is unlikely.

 

[Colt]

I don't have any credibility with a Trump defender?

I've already told you how I feel about comments like that one: [1] I disagree, and [2] I wouldn't mind if it were. If this were nothing but an abuse of power to vex Trump, I would glad of that. Surprised, but why should I mind? Because Republican might do the same? That ship has long sailed. They already do and have since the Clinton impeachment.

There is no duty not to hang the Republicans and Trump in particular by their own petards every opportunity possible. They can reserve their more noble standards for one another and others that support America and the Constitution. One can argue that it would backfire in the long run, and if that were true would be a good reason to refrain, but I'd like to see that argument. Is Jordan going to start another vexatious committee? Will they try to depose more Democrats. Will the House Republicans try to get legislation past the Senate and Biden? Will Greene scream more? Who cares? They're already doing their worst.

Not all of them. Critical thinkers are more immune to indoctrination. The ones being played are the MAGA rank and file. They are currently being milked for donations, and if Trump can incite them to violence, more will go to prison for him.

Once again, I don't buy any of that rightwing indoctrination, and once again, why should I mind even if Trump were spied on? Because it's not playing by the rules? Different rules for them, just like we have different rules for foreign enemies, who we also spy on and who spy on us.

They needed to lie to the FISA court! You can polish that turd to your hearts content!

The DNC was paying Steele through Fusion GPS, he flat out admitted his Russian intel sources in the Slate article. Your bias will never change the facts.

 

[Subduction Zone]

My new favorite drink. The Indictment Cocktail. A White Russian beneath a thin orange skin with a fake gold garnish:

 

[Father Heathen]

So “I admit it was adultery.”??????? How would I know????? I said that was her claim after not getting on the Apprentice show. She was trying to sell the story for $15,000. But then denied it happened, but then he ran for president SO she wanted more. He paid $130,000!

But none of this is about real crimes of theft or murder, it’s political. You hate Trump and true to form Leftist have a long history of imprisoning their political enemies. It’s a Pandora’s box that you guys opened and will live to regret.

Then what's up with conservatives screeching and squealing about locking up Hillary Clinton and Hunter Biden over emails and laptops or whatever?

The difference is that now there are actual, legitimate reasons to pursue criminal charges.

 

[metis]

Like it or not prosecutions such as this are inevitably political.

Like it or not, so is Trump and so are you.

Again, we will see a jury selected under a judge's supervision, so would you negate an innocent verdict with Trump because they're all so "political"? Betcha wouldn't.

 

[metis]

Then what's up with conservatives screeching and squealing about locking up Hillary Clinton and Hunter Biden over emails and laptops or whatever?

That's easy to answer: Trump is their messiah. Basically, most in the "religious right" have "sold their soul" in order to blindly support him no matter what he says or does.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Like it or not, so is Trump and so are you.

Again, we will see a jury selected under a judge's supervision, so would you negate an innocent verdict with Trump because they're all so "political"? Betcha wouldn't.

You know that if found guilty there will be accusations that the Judge was political. I need to remind people of the Dover trial where a conservative judge that was put on the bench by George Bush ruled that what the Discovery Toot was pedaling was not science and that got endless butt hurt complaints by science deniers. If Trump is convicted we will hear the same .