Trump Indicted. To be Arrested in Days.

[Jose Fly]

I know.
Learning is hard for some posters.

Your desperation is noted.

Question...
Why do you oppose prosecuting any Presidents other than Trump?
Why do you want Trump prosecuted only for lesser offenses,
but not for sedition, insurrection, subversion, etc?

Geez....the fact that you have to posit such absurd straw man arguments, which don't reflect a single thing I've posted (and actually contradict what I've posted TO YOU), is an extremely poor reflection on you.

And to repeat, it also reeks of desperation.

Just let it go Willy. Let the thread get back to the OP's topic.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

It's been that way for as long as I can remember.

Nobility and Pheasant classes never went away.

Odd -- I thought the nobility ate the pheasants.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

You mean like trying to divert a thread from discussion of Trump's indictment by constantly asking "but what about Clinton and Obama", over the course of 9 pages. Yep.

@Revoltingest has offered some thoughtful context and perspective which you, for whatever reason, choose to take as an affront. It seems to me that the Fisker doth protest too much.

 

[Jose Fly]

@Revoltingest has offered some thoughtful context and perspective which you, for whatever reason, choose to take as an affront. It seems to me that the Fisker doth protest too much.

It's literally the definition of whataboutism.

Definition of WHATABOUTISM

the act or practice of responding to an accusation of wrongdoing by claiming that an offense committed by another is similar or worse; also : the response itself —called also whataboutery… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

": the act or practice of responding to an accusation of wrongdoing by claiming that an offense committed by another is similar or worse"

I don't take that as an offense. I'm simply pointing it out, as well as noting how it's a repeated pattern with @Revoltingest

 

[Jose Fly]

Can you show me where @Jose Fly said that?

I appreciate that, but I'm ready to let this go. I've made my point and I'm content with that. Plus, since the main goal of whataboutism is to distract from the original topic, getting into a back-and-forth over who said what furthers that purpose.

And yeah, you're correct....I never said any of those things. So thanks!

 

[fantome profane]

I appreciate that, but I'm ready to let this go. I've made my point and I'm content with that. Plus, since the main goal of whataboutism is to distract from the original topic, getting into a back-and-forth over who said what furthers that purpose.

And yeah, you're correct....I never said any of those things. So thanks!

All right.

 

[Jose Fly]

Getting back to the topic of Trump's indictment, a lot of Republican figures have been calling it "politically motivated", a "witch hunt", "weaponization of government", an "injustice", an "abuse of power", etc. My question is pretty straightforward.....how do they know? The indictment remains under seal, which means the charges and evidence are not available.

So what is the basis for all of those inflammatory claims, other than mere tribalism?

 

[Windwalker]

I’m sure Trump is just thrilled about it; the show he gets to put on and all the publicity

On the one hand I believe this is true. But on the other, he does truly dread the idea of being put into prison, and always has since the investigations against him began decades ago back in the 70's. In either case, he does need to be prosecuted finally for his many criminal activates and put behind bars. We are after all a country of "law and order". Let's put the criminal where he belongs.

I personally think it’s just another of the many distractions being thrown in front of the public to divide and divert people from more serious issues.

I definitely do not agree with you here. To not hold him accountable for his actions in this and what he did in trying to steal an election through fraud and violence, is an extremely serious matter. If the laws of this land don't mean anything, and people like him can get away with whatever they want, then democracy is dead. No one is above the law. Especially Criminal Trump.

 

[Windwalker]

Getting back to the topic of Trump's indictment, a lot of Republican figures have been calling it "politically motivated", a "witch hunt", "weaponization of government", an "injustice", an "abuse of power", etc. My question is pretty straightforward.....how do they know? The indictment remains under seal, which means the charges and evidence are not available.

So what is the basis for all of those inflammatory claims, other than mere tribalism?

Just remember, everything they say accusing others, is a projection of what they themselves are doing as a distraction.

 

[Jose Fly]

Just remember, everything they say accusing others, is a projection of what they themselves are doing as a distraction.

Kinda like Jim Jordan's "weaponization committee".

 

[Windwalker]

Kinda like Jim Jordan's "weaponization committee".

Precisely. Prime example.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

It's literally the definition of whataboutism.

Definition of WHATABOUTISM

the act or practice of responding to an accusation of wrongdoing by claiming that an offense committed by another is similar or worse; also : the response itself —called also whataboutery… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

": the act or practice of responding to an accusation of wrongdoing by claiming that an offense committed by another is similar or worse"

I don't take that as an offense. I'm simply pointing it out, as well as noting how it's a repeated pattern with @Revoltingest

OMG! A stunning retort!

Some commentators have defended the usage of whataboutism and tu quoque in certain contexts. Whataboutism can provide necessary context into whether or not a particular line of critique is relevant or fair, and behavior that may be imperfect by international standards may be appropriate in a given geopolitical neighborhood.[7] Accusing an interlocutor of whataboutism can also in itself be manipulative and serve the motive of discrediting, as critical talking points can be used selectively and purposefully even as the starting point of the conversation (cf. agenda setting, framing, framing effect, priming, cherry picking). The deviation from them can then be branded as whataboutism.[citation needed]​

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Both whataboutism and the accusation of it are forms of strategic framing and have a framing effect.[8] [source]​

Whine less.

 

[Jose Fly]

OMG! A stunning retort!

Some commentators have defended the usage of whataboutism and tu quoque in certain contexts. Whataboutism can provide necessary context into whether or not a particular line of critique is relevant or fair, and behavior that may be imperfect by international standards may be appropriate in a given geopolitical neighborhood.[7] Accusing an interlocutor of whataboutism can also in itself be manipulative and serve the motive of discrediting, as critical talking points can be used selectively and purposefully even as the starting point of the conversation (cf. agenda setting, framing, framing effect, priming, cherry picking). The deviation from them can then be branded as whataboutism.[citation needed]​

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Both whataboutism and the accusation of it are forms of strategic framing and have a framing effect.[8] [source]​

Whine less.

Input noted.

 

[InChrist]

On the one hand I believe this is true. But on the other, he does truly dread the idea of being put into prison, and always has since the investigations against him began decades ago back in the 70's. In either case, he does need to be prosecuted finally for his many criminal activates and put behind bars. We are after all a country of "law and order". Let's put the criminal where he belongs.

I definitely do not agree with you here. To not hold him accountable for his actions in this and what he did in trying to steal an election through fraud and violence, is an extremely serious matter. If the laws of this land don't mean anything, and people like him can get away with whatever they want, then democracy is dead. No one is above the law. Especially Criminal Trump.

Well, I’ll just wait and see if anything comes of this. No one should be above the law, but too many politicians and those with power and/or money do seem to be above the law most of the time.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Well, I’ll just wait and see if anything comes of this. No one should be above the law, but too many politicians and those with power and/or money do seem to be above the law most of the time.

Interesting, no? I wonder why the nation doesn't try to find some way to make it fairer.

Okay, I lied -- I don't wonder -- I know it's because those who can afford it make the laws do what they want them to do -- because they have the moolah to buy any elected person's support.

 

[F1fan]

Getting back to the topic of Trump's indictment, a lot of Republican figures have been calling it "politically motivated", a "witch hunt", "weaponization of government", an "injustice", an "abuse of power", etc. My question is pretty straightforward.....how do they know? The indictment remains under seal, which means the charges and evidence are not available.

So what is the basis for all of those inflammatory claims, other than mere tribalism?

I am surprised they are going to his aid. I don’t see any reason or advantage for them to do this. The irony is that many Republicans are accusing Bragg of a political agenda, but ignoring that it was the grand jury that voted for the 30 count indictment. It’s Bragg’s job to investigate criminal wrongdoing and he’s getting attacked for doing his job. We don’t see republicans critical of any other investigation or indictment. It’s not as this is the only case Trump is facing. He has a long list of legal problems and the NY case is just another. Republicans are being political in their bad rhetoric, and all i can think is that they will have a harder time appealing to moderates. Republicans need to move on and reform. It’s their reputation to ruin.

 

[Windwalker]

Well, I’ll just wait and see if anything comes of this. No one should be above the law, but too many politicians and those with power and/or money do seem to be above the law most of the time.

I see the real weight of the law bearing down upon him from Georgia and the Special prosecutor in the Jan 6 investigations. That's where the heavy duty stuff about sedition and treason may come to bear. We should hope so. And then I'm with you, that should stand a strong warning to those politicians who think they are above the law too. If we don't hold Trump accountable, then the floodgates will be opened wide to any and all crimes in high places.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Odd -- I thought the nobility ate the pheasants.

Lock stock and barrel!

 

[Twilight Hue]

Getting back to the topic of Trump's indictment, a lot of Republican figures have been calling it "politically motivated", a "witch hunt", "weaponization of government", an "injustice", an "abuse of power", etc. My question is pretty straightforward.....how do they know? The indictment remains under seal, which means the charges and evidence are not available.

So what is the basis for all of those inflammatory claims, other than mere tribalism?

True. They will have to pass it to see what's in it in the spirit of good ole' Nancy P.

 

[F1fan]

I see the real weight of the law bearing down upon him from Georgia and the Special prosecutor in the Jan 6 investigations. That's where the heavy duty stuff about sedition and treason may come to bear. We should hope so. And then I'm with you, that should stand a strong warning to those politicians who think they are above the law too. If we don't hold Trump accountable, then the floodgates will be opened wide to any and all crimes in high places.

The Jan 6 investigation looks to be getting more and more substantial. I had doubts about that one but looking at how Pence is ordered to testify, among other insiders, there will be crucial testimony.

Georgia will be interesting too. The GA statehouse passed a bill that will give them oversight over local prosecutors. It looks to be a flawed law, and if Kemp signs it the republicans in GA could remove Willis to stop the investigation into election interference by Trump. That would be abuse of power. That seems to be how most republicans in the USA conduct their business.

And there’s still the documents case that is fairly certain. And he’s being sued for rape, with DNA evidence claimed to be against him.