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Trump is the Perfect President for the US.

Brickjectivity

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I don't really understand the mentality of "worse is better". It's extremely nihilistic, cynical and misanthropic. I mean, this isn't a damn video game. This is people's lives. Millions of people are already struggling and in the edge in America (I'm one of them), and people hope that it gets worse for them? That's just disgusting. I'm speechless. Now excuse me, but I have to be off to see my case worker to see if there's any help for me, knowing that what little is there would be trashed if someone like Trump came to power. Homelessness and destitution, here I come!
Gotta say I agree that the republican party seems like they just hate any welfare that isn't for corporations. I don't get that, not at all. Who has opposed healthcare reform for the last 16 years or 24 years and thinks food stamps will cause a new decline and fall? The republicans have, so that is certainly a strike against Trump that he is in that party. That being said I like his assertive "Do what I tell you" approach. Its very presidential and big stickish.

I've no accusations to make.
I only urge scrutiny on the risks of Hillary too.
Who is more dangerous?
There are many factors, eg, war, USSC justices, taxation....
That's a judgment call we each must make.
Assuming the republic is still representative, votes are still counted etc. Now that Scalia has left us I'm just not sure anymore. Goodness knows what will happen.

The reason trump is the best President for the US is exactly because he'll be the worst. He'll ruin the economy (what's left of it) alienate allies, and probably end up betraying the rights of very many citizens of the US. He'll drive America into the ground.
As with past presidents he will be yet another stainless steel rat, and whatever happens to the country will just get blamed on helpless little congress, bless their hearts.

Haven't you been paying attention these last seven years? You've pretty much painted a scenario that has already come to life. To most of his supporters Trump is the antithesis to what you are describing, thus his popularity; and I think you will see his appeal encompass many more segments of voters.
I like him, and his daughter is hot. My thoughts are that maybe, just maybe, he scares the crap out of the country he wants to lead. Did you ever see his TV show, the Apprentice? I never did. I don't really know what to expect if he's elected.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
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Gotta say I agree that the republican party seems like they just hate any welfare that isn't for corporations. I don't get that, not at all. Who has opposed healthcare reform for the last 16 years or 24 years and thinks food stamps will cause a new decline and fall? The republicans have, so that is certainly a strike against Trump that he is in that party. That being said I like his assertive "Do what I tell you" approach. Its very presidential and big stickish.
From my perspective, the Pubs like welfare for people too much too.
But my real problem with Dems & Pubs regarding welfare is their dysfunctional approaches.
They both make it disincentivize work, & too hard to get off of.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Haven't you been paying attention these last seven years? You've pretty much painted a scenario that has already come to life. To most of his supporters Trump is the antithesis to what you are describing, thus his popularity; and I think you will see his appeal encompass many more segments of voters.
But that which has been pointed out to you at least several times by several people spouting facts is that maybe you're the one not paying much attention to where we are versus where we were seven years ago? Do we really need to go through that list of facts again?
 

Brickjectivity

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From my perspective, the Pubs like welfare for people too much too.
But my real problem with Dems & Pubs regarding welfare is their dysfunctional approaches.
They both make it disincentivize work, & too hard to get off of.
The problem with the dems and repubs is that they are too good. Kiss their butts. Know your place.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
The problem with the dems and repubs is that they are too good. Kiss their butts. Know your place.
Being good to people has its advantages, eg, an economic safety net.
But it also means control.
A thing given, is a thing which can be denied.
Registering for the draft is one example.
A male who doesn't do that is denied many benefits, including school financial aid, security clearances, gov employment, etc.
Bill Clinton tried (fortunately failing) to get the USSC to deny the right of public housing tenants against warrantless searches.
 

Brickjectivity

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Being good to people has its advantages, eg, an economic safety net.
But it also means control.
A thing given, is a thing which can be denied.
Again with the decline and fall of Rome shtick. Public education makes things different than they were in Rome. Check out the countries that have fully socialized medicine and welfare, and you'll see they've been OK for the last 40 years or so. Its the ones with very limited government that are going nuts.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
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Again with the decline and fall of Rome shtick. Public education makes things different than they were in Rome. Check out the countries that have fully socialized medicine and welfare, and you'll see they've been OK for the last 40 years or so. Its the ones with very limited government that are going nuts.
No reference to Rome at all.
I just caution that dependence upon government has its dangers,
especially when they attach many strings. The fully socialized
countries are the worst, eg, N Korea, USSR, the old PRC.
 

Brickjectivity

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No reference to Rome at all.
I just caution that dependence upon government has its dangers,
especially when they attach many strings. The fully socialized
countries are the worst, eg, N Korea, USSR, the old PRC.
Those begin by killing or imprisoning anybody who disagrees with the government. They just don't make your point for you.
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
But that which has been pointed out to you at least several times by several people spouting facts is that maybe you're the one not paying much attention to where we are versus where we were seven years ago? Do we really need to go through that list of facts again?


It's a shame that so many of you are not old enough to remember when we had a robust economy, unemployment figures well below 5%, and the respect and admiration of most of the free world.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
It's a shame that so many of you are not old enough to remember when we had a robust economy, unemployment figures well below 5%, and the respect and admiration of most of the free world.
I don't need respect & admiration.
I just want to avoid enmity.
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
like him, and his daughter is hot. My thoughts are that maybe, just maybe, he scares the crap out of the country he wants to lead. Did you ever see his TV show, the Apprentice? I never did. I don't really know what to expect if he's elected.

The Donald worries me. Hillary and/or Bernie scares the bejesus out of me.
 

Daemon Sophic

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It's a shame that so many of you are not old enough to remember when we had a robust economy, unemployment figures well below 5%, and the respect and admiration of most of the free world.
Sure. Back in the 1950s and 60s. The economy thrived because the top 1% was taxed on their millions to the tune of 90% and up. I agree, we should return to those days....but perhaps without the racism, and misogyny, and wars, eh?
Too bad Reagan gutted our long term economy for the short term boost that made him so popular with the plutocrats. Its been downhill since then, primarily since those same plutocrats realized "Hey! We can foist any dolt into the WH and run the country in our own best interests by controlling the strings.". (Citizens United anyone - thank you Scalia).
Its all been downhill since the 70's.

Any worse than the current occupant of the WH?

Obama has alienated our allies and embraced our enemies.
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Sure. Back in the 1950s and 60s. The economy thrived because the top 1% was taxed on their millions to the tune of 90% and up. I agree, we should return to those days....but perhaps without the racism, and misogyny, and wars, eh?
Few actually paid those high rates. They were offset by generous tax avoidance provisions, eg, frequent buying & selling of real estate to shelter income with low capital gains taxes on recaptured accelerated depreciation.
The 50s & 60s were great for many reasons. We had.....
- A technological & manufacturing advantage over the rest of the world.
- An economy not wrecked by WW2
- Economic & other regulation was less.
But that began changing in the 60s.
I saw it particularly in the auto industry, which suffered from Japanese competition.
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Too bad Reagan gutted our long term economy for the short term boost that made him so popular with the plutocrats. Its been downhill since then, primarily since those same plutocrats realized "Hey! We can foist any dolt into the WH and run the country in our own best interests by controlling the strings.". (Citizens United anyone - thank you Scalia).
Its all been downhill since the 70's.
Reagan actually gutted the the accelerated depreciation strategy.
His strategy of lowering marginal tax rates while removing avoidance schemes was a great idea.
It still is, but we won't see it from the typical candidates in the Big Two.
Trump is an exception here.....one of his good traits.
 
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