Trump: "I've told them I want more weeks."

[Jayhawker Soule]

From Axios:

Former President Trump said Thursday that an abortion limit banning the procedure after six weeks in Florida is "too short."​

​

The big picture: Trump, who has long boasted that he was the one who "was able to kill Roe v. Wade," has flip-flopped on his abortion stance, campaigning with a leave-it-to-the-states approach.​

• Although he once indicated he favored a national abortion ban, the 2024 GOP presidential candidate announced in April that he believes the issue should be left up to states to decide.

Zoom in: Trump, a Florida resident, was asked in an interview with NBC News Thursday how he would vote on an abortion amendment on the ballot in his home state this November​

• The ballot measure, if passed, would nix the state's six-week ban and enshrine abortion access until fetal viability (around 24–28 weeks of pregnancy) in the state constitution.
• "I think the six week is too short, there has to be more time," Trump said. "I've told them I want more weeks."
• Without explicitly answering if he'll vote in favor of the measure, he said, "I am going to be voting that we need more than six weeks."

And we still don't know how Trump will vote.

 

[Estro Felino]

I would like to meet those women who in 2024 succeed in getting pregnant despite the dozens of kinds of contraceptives available.

In the country which is the first world power.

I would like to ask them how they do that.

And by the way...6 weeks may be a little too short...but 8 weeks seem to be totally fine.

We are not in the Stone Age any more.

 

[Pogo]

From Axios:

Former President Trump said Thursday that an abortion limit banning the procedure after six weeks in Florida is "too short."​

​

The big picture: Trump, who has long boasted that he was the one who "was able to kill Roe v. Wade," has flip-flopped on his abortion stance, campaigning with a leave-it-to-the-states approach.​

• Although he once indicated he favored a national abortion ban, the 2024 GOP presidential candidate announced in April that he believes the issue should be left up to states to decide.

Zoom in: Trump, a Florida resident, was asked in an interview with NBC News Thursday how he would vote on an abortion amendment on the ballot in his home state this November​

• The ballot measure, if passed, would nix the state's six-week ban and enshrine abortion access until fetal viability (around 24–28 weeks of pregnancy) in the state constitution.
• "I think the six week is too short, there has to be more time," Trump said. "I've told them I want more weeks."
• Without explicitly answering if he'll vote in favor of the measure, he said, "I am going to be voting that we need more than six weeks."

And we still don't know how Trump will vote.

What we do know is that nothing Trump says is anything more than transactional to his immediate position.

Yet his sycophants are whining and moaning about Harris's evolution of her ideas in keeping with her principles. LOL

 

[Quintessence]

I would like to meet those women who in 2024 succeed in getting pregnant despite the dozens of kinds of contraceptives available.

In the country which is the first world power.

I would like to ask them how they do that.

And by the way...6 weeks may be a little too short...but 8 weeks seem to be totally fine.

We are not in the Stone Age any more.

. . .

Have you met the health care system in the United States? Have you met the "abstinence only" sex ed that a lot of kids get (if they get any at all)? Sounds like you are simply out of touch with the realities of how things work here. And the biological realities of routine complications that happen even in wanted pregnancies. Never mind that forced birth is freaking disgusting no matter how you slice it.

 

[Estro Felino]

What we do know is that nothing Trump says is anything more than transactional to his immediate position.

Yet his sycophants are whining and moaning about Harris's evolution of her ideas in keeping with her principles. LOL

But when it comes to people's sex lives, I expect people to be more honest and less prudish.

If in those states the legislation is becoming more and more inflexible, I would expect women to fight for free or affordable contraception.

And not to fight for the right to have unprotected sex.

 

[Estro Felino]

. . .

Have you met the health care system in the United States? Have you met the "abstinence only" sex ed that a lot of kids get (if they get any at all)? Sounds like you are simply out of touch with the realities of how things work here. And the biological realities of routine complications that happen even in wanted pregnancies. Never mind that forced birth is freaking disgusting no matter how you slice it.

That's perfectly understandable.
But I guess that since there is no free universal healthcare, that should be an incentive to use contraception more.
Because hormonal pills are much, much cheaper than abortion.

 

[Pogo]

I would like to meet those women who in 2024 succeed in getting pregnant despite the dozens of kinds of contraceptives available.

In the country which is the first world power.

I would like to ask them how they do that.

And by the way...6 weeks may be a little too short...but 8 weeks seem to be totally fine.

We are not in the Stone Age any more.

Maybe not, but your knowledge of probability and human nature seem to be.

 

[Pogo]

But when it comes to people's sex lives, I expect people to be more honest and less prudish.

If in those states the legislation is becoming more and more inflexible, I would expect women to fight for free or affordable contraception.

And not to fight for the right to have unprotected sex.

Why should we refight a battle that was resolved reasonably 50 years ago and the comment about unprotected sex is just moronic.

 

[Estro Felino]

Maybe not, but your knowledge of probability and human nature seem to be.

Okay...but politically, there should be more openness and less prudishness.
No shame.
Women need to fight for their womanly health and demand things.
At lest 8-10 weeks.

And by the way...there are many women who have never had an abortion in their life.
Life requires sacrifice and attention.

 

[crossfire]

I would like to meet those women who in 2024 succeed in getting pregnant despite the dozens of kinds of contraceptives available.

I know a woman who had two children while on the pill. When she wanted to have a third child, she got some birth control pills, and it wasn't long before she was pregnant once again. She had to use an IUD between pregnancies. I know a couple of women who got pregnant while using a diaphragm. I've even met a woman who had a child after a tubal ligation. I guess fallopian tubes sometimes grow back.

In the country which is the first world power.

I would like to ask them how they do that.

No birth control short of a full hysterectomy is 100% effective.

And by the way...6 weeks may be a little too short...but 8 weeks seem to be totally fine.

We are not in the Stone Age any more.

The problem is that politicians are not health care professionals, and some of the laws that have been passed have made doctors unable to practice needed medical procedures for pregnant women in medical distress, under the threat of prison.

 

[Estro Felino]

I know a woman who had two children while on the pill. When she wanted to have a third child, she got some birth control pills, and it wasn't long before she was pregnant once again. She had to use an IUD between pregnancies. I know a couple of women who got pregnant while using a diaphragm. I've even met a woman who had a child after a tubal ligation. I guess fallopian tubes sometimes grow back.

Being on the pill means taking it regularly every day for 28 days a month.
Depending on the therapy prescribed.
If you miss a day, the entire therapy is compromised.

So... being on the pill doesn't mean it's ok to miss one day or two.

No birth control short of a full hysterectomy is 100% effective.

The pill is 98% effective...
But only if it is taken every day.

The problem is that politicians are not health care professionals, and some of the laws that have been passed have made doctors unable to practice needed medical procedures for pregnant women in medical distress, under the threat of prison.

Indeed.

 

[crossfire]

Being on the pill means taking it regularly every day for 28 days a month.
Depending on the therapy prescribed.
If you miss a day, the entire therapy is compromised.

Of course.

So... being on the pill doesn't mean it's ok to miss one day or two.

True.

The pill is 98% effective...
But only if it is taken every day.

She must be part of the 2% ineffective, as she treated them like fertility pills when she wanted to get pregnant with her third daughter.
You have to remember, this 98% effective per year. You have to reroll the dice every year, and the undersirable side effects worsen as you age.

Indeed.

We agree.

 

[Estro Felino]

Of course.

True.

She must be part of the 2% ineffective, as she treated them like fertility pills when she wanted to get pregnant with her third daughter.

We agree.

Yes...that is why abortion is a right...and the rightists should try to be less inflexible.

 

[crossfire]

Yes...that is why abortion is a right...and the rightists should try to be less inflexible.

Especially when their policies cause such harm as pregnant women in medical distress being turned away from hospital emergency rooms. It seems as if they want to make pregnancy and childbirth third-world dangerous again. I looked at one of the national 20 week abortion bans they tried to get through Congress, and the bureaucratic red tape was so bad that my conclusion was that women with known high-risk preganacies would have to go live in Canada for the second half of their pregnancy, as it was a national ban.

 

[Quintessence]

That's perfectly understandable.
But I guess that since there is no free universal healthcare, that should be an incentive to use contraception more.
Because hormonal pills are much, much cheaper than abortion.

They are, and I wish there weren't as many access and education problems as there are. And it doesn't address the mothers who want to have children who have require actual medical care while pregnant... but then can't get it because of misogynistic lawmaking. Sometimes even when that care has nothing to do with their pregnancy.

 

[We Never Know]

They are, and I wish there weren't as many access and education problems as there are. And it doesn't address the mothers who want to have children who have require actual medical care while pregnant... but then can't get it because of misogynistic lawmaking. Sometimes even when that care has nothing to do with their pregnancy.

When the country has half the people feeling this way and the other half feeling that way...

The government can't/shouldn't try to appease and please only one side. Sadly that's what our parties do.

They need to work together come up with a plan that is/will be accepted by a the majority of everyone.

Until then the battles will rage on.

 

[Father Heathen]

When the country has half the people feeling this way and the other half feeling that way...

The government can't/shouldn't try to appease and please only one side. Sadly that's what our parties do.

They need to together come up with a plan that is/will be accepted by a the majority of everyone.

Until then the battles will rage on.

If the nation is supposed to embody freedom, then it's the pro-freedom side that should be appeased.

If one side says 2+2=4 and the other side says 2+2=5, the solution isn't to make 2+2=4.5

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

And we still don't know how Trump will vote.

About 15 minutes ago Maggie Haberman reported:

Nearly a day after Donald Trump created confusion about his intentions regarding a Florida ballot referendum that would allow abortion access up to 24 weeks, essentially nullifying the legislature’s ban on the procedure after six weeks, Trump said in a Fox News interview that he will vote against the ballot measure. [source]​

 

[Kathryn]

Thankfully the teen pregnancy rate has been dropping a LOT for the past 30 plus years.

Trends in Teen Pregnancy and Childbearing

Teen Births In 2020, the teen birth rate was 15.4 (births for every 1,000 females ages 15-19), down eight percent from 2019 and down 75 percent from the 1991 peak of 61.8.1 There were 158,043 births to females in this age group, which accounted for less than five percent of all births in 2020.

opa.hhs.gov

 

[Soandso]

When the country has half the people feeling this way and the other half feeling that way...

The government can't/shouldn't try to appease and please only one side. Sadly that's what our parties do.

They need to work together come up with a plan that is/will be accepted by a the majority of everyone.

Until then the battles will rage on.

There is. It's called pro choice. The only ones against that want to take that middle ground away and infringe on the lives of others