Trump: "I've told them I want more weeks."

[Evangelicalhumanist]

But when it comes to people's sex lives, I expect people to be more honest and less prudish.

Well, that's just you forgetting how much of the United States is terrified of everything sexual because they're afraid that "god" might think they're sinful for enjoying it.

If in those states the legislation is becoming more and more inflexible, I would expect women to fight for free or affordable contraception.

What do you imagine your expectations have to do with Americans with views like the funadmentalist Christians I've just described? You can expect anything you want, but you're silly if you think you're going to get it.

And not to fight for the right to have unprotected sex.

You forget that protections fail, you forget that relationships and human minds change, you forget that what seemed like "true love" yesterday may be badly resented today . You forget that abnormalities can be determined pretty much at any time during a pregnancy. In short, you forget to incorporate human nature into your considerations. That's silly.

 

[Pogo]

Thankfully the teen pregnancy rate has been dropping a LOT for the past 30 plus years.

Trends in Teen Pregnancy and Childbearing

Teen Births In 2020, the teen birth rate was 15.4 (births for every 1,000 females ages 15-19), down eight percent from 2019 and down 75 percent from the 1991 peak of 61.8.1 There were 158,043 births to females in this age group, which accounted for less than five percent of all births in 2020.

opa.hhs.gov

Yes it has and it is all those damned liberals that are responsible, JD Vance wants more babies so lets get rid of education and they don't need contraceptives if they are good Catholics. /s

 

[We Never Know]

There is. It's called pro choice. The only ones against that want to take that middle ground away and infringe on the lives of others

A movement isn't a solution for everyone.

Half see a fetus as a baby
Half see it as basically a virus parasite

Half see abortion as taking a life
Half see abortion as a convenience

Some don't want abortions at all
Some are ok with abortion with exceptions
Some want abortions period

I could go on but... Those aren't going to change in my lifetime.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Half see a fetus as a baby
Half see it as basically a virus

Half see abortion as taking a life
Half see abortion as a convenience

Half seeing it as a "virus" and a "convenience" is a pretty big mischaracterization.

 

[We Never Know]

Half seeing it as a "virus" and a "convenience" is a pretty big mischaracterization.

I didn't want to get pregnant
I don't want a baby
I have to get rid of this baby.
Abortion is a convenience that makes that happen.

It lives/feeds off its host(mother)
It would die without its host
Its a foreign object in the woman's body
So yeah its basically referred to as a virus parasite

You dont have to agree with me. But I'm not going to change what I said because you disagree.

 

[LadyJane]

I would like to meet those women who in 2024 succeed in getting pregnant despite the dozens of kinds of contraceptives available.

In the country which is the first world power.

I would like to ask them how they do that.

Maybe you should be asking all the rapey stepdads.

 

[Pogo]

I didn't want to get pregnant
I don't want a baby
I have to get rid of this baby.
Abortion is a convenience that makes that happen.

It lives/feeds off its host(mother)
It would die without its host
Its a foreign object in the woman's body
So yeah its basically referred to as a virus.

You dont have to agree with me. But I'm not going to change what I said because you disagree.

Actually biologically the fetus is closer to a parasite in how the body responds to it, which is the cause of many pregnancy complications.

And nobody is saying that you have to have an abortion, but for the purposes of I did not intend to get pregnant and I do not want a baby now, for economic or any number of other reasons why should somebody other than myself make the decision for me in regards to a proceedure that has been done throughout recorded history, especially in these so called enlightened times where we guarantee liberty for all?

Don't want one, don't have one but as Tim says, "mind your own damn business."

 

[Pogo]

I didn't want to get pregnant
I don't want a baby
I have to get rid of this baby.
Abortion is a convenience that makes that happen.

It lives/feeds off its host(mother)
It would die without its host
Its a foreign object in the woman's body
So yeah its basically referred to as a virus.

You dont have to agree with me. But I'm not going to change what I said because you disagree.

Actually biologically the fetus is closer to a parasite in how the body responds to it, which is the cause of many pregnancy complications.

And nobody is saying that you have to have an abortion, but for the purposes of I did not intend to get pregnant and I do not want a baby now, for economic or any number of other reasons why should somebody other than myself make the decision for me in regards to a proceedure that has been done throughout recorded history, especially in these so called enlightened times where we guarantee liberty for all?

Don't want one, don't have one but as Tim says, "mind your own damn business."

 

[crossfire]

There is. It's called pro choice. The only ones against that want to take that middle ground away and infringe on the lives of others

A movement isn't a solution for everyone.

The solution would be recognizing the right for a woman and her doctor to manage her pregnancy. We did just fine under Roe v Wade.

Half see a fetus as a baby
Half see it as basically a virus

Half see abortion as taking a life
Half see abortion as a convenience

Some don't want abortions at all
Some are ok with abortion with exceptions
Some want abortions period

I could go on but... Those aren't going to change in my lifetime.

How long is the effort to make pregnancy and childbirth third-world dangerous again going to last before people come to their senses?

 

[We Never Know]

Actually biologically the fetus is closer to a parasite in how the body responds to it, which is the cause of many pregnancy complications.

And nobody is saying that you have to have an abortion, but for the purposes of I did not intend to get pregnant and I do not want a baby now, for economic or any number of other reasons why should somebody other than myself make the decision for me in regards to a proceedure that has been done throughout recorded history, especially in these so called enlightened times where we guarantee liberty for all?

Don't want one, don't have one but as Tim says, "mind your own damn business."

Yes parasite is the word I was looking for but was having a brain fart. Thanks for the correction.

 

[Pogo]

Yes parasite is the word I was looking for but was having a brain fart. Thanks for the correction.

So what are your feelings about harboring a parasite in one's body until it reaches its next life stage?

 

[Guitar's Cry]

I didn't want to get pregnant
I don't want a baby
I have to get rid of this baby.
Abortion is a convenience that makes that happen.

It lives/feeds off its host(mother)
It would die without its host
Its a foreign object in the woman's body
So yeah its basically referred to as a virus.

You dont have to agree with me. But I'm not going to change what I said because you disagree.

Those who advocate for pro-choice are factoring in a lot more than convenience and seeing it as a virus/parasite. There are legitimate health risks to the mother, as well as the consideration of what kind of life might be awaiting the child.

 

[We Never Know]

So what are your feelings about harboring a parasite in one's body until it reaches its next life stage?

I don't see it as a parasite.

So you tell me?

 

[Pogo]

I don't see it as a parasite.

So you tell me?

Which wasn't the question, having realized that you meant a parasite rather than a virus, how do you feel about harboring parasites?

 

[We Never Know]

Those who advocate for pro-choice are factoring in a lot more than convenience and seeing it as a virus/parasite. There are legitimate health risks to the mother, as well as the consideration of what kind of life might be awaiting the child.

I've told this before I will make this a short version.
When I was in my early twentites I had a woman abort our child without telling me.
Six months later when we were talking about marriage she came clean.
It took both of us to make it, so IMO we both should have had a say about it.
Long story short, I walked away and never looked back.

 

[We Never Know]

Which wasn't the question, having realized that you meant a parasite rather than a virus, how do you feel about harboring parasites?

Its not a parasite so the question is irrelevant.

 

[Soandso]

A movement isn't a solution for everyone.

I don't think I've ever heard pro-life or pro-choice positions being described as "movements" before. How can something be a movement when choice has been the standard for half a century up until very recently

Half see a fetus as a baby
Half see it as basically a virus

Half see abortion as taking a life
Half see abortion as a convenience

Some don't want abortions at all
Some are ok with abortion with exceptions
Some want abortions period

I could go on but... Those aren't going to change in my lifetime.

Exactly, which is where choice comes in. On the one hand, pro choice gives people the ability to choose for themselves if they want abortions or not. On the other hand, pro-life wants to strip away women's autonomy and force them to carry a pregnancy to term. How does one come to a middle ground when trying to reason with someone who has a mindset like that?

Where's the middle ground when trying to reason with someone who thinks you are a murderer for getting an abortion because a verse in the Bible says that God knew you before you were formed in the womb?

 

[We Never Know]

I don't think I've ever heard pro-life or pro-choice positions being described as "movements" before. How can something be a movement when choice has been the standard for half a century up until very recently



Exactly, which is where choice comes in. On the one hand, pro choice gives people the ability to choose for themselves if they want abortions or not. On the other hand, pro-life wants to strip away women's autonomy and force them to carry a pregnancy to term. How does one come to a middle ground when trying to reason with someone who has a mindset like that?

Where's the middle ground when trying to reason with someone who thinks you are a murderer for getting an abortion because a verse in the Bible says that God knew you before you were formed in the womb?

"Anti-abortion movements, also self-styled as pro-life movements,[1] are involved in the abortion debate advocating against the practice of abortion and its legality. Many anti-abortion movements began as countermovements in response to the legalization of elective abortions."

Anti-abortion movements - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[We Never Know]

I don't think I've ever heard pro-life or pro-choice positions being described as "movements" before. How can something be a movement when choice has been the standard for half a century up until very recently



Exactly, which is where choice comes in. On the one hand, pro choice gives people the ability to choose for themselves if they want abortions or not. On the other hand, pro-life wants to strip away women's autonomy and force them to carry a pregnancy to term. How does one come to a middle ground when trying to reason with someone who has a mindset like that?

Where's the middle ground when trying to reason with someone who thinks you are a murderer for getting an abortion because a verse in the Bible says that God knew you before you were formed in the womb?

Also google pro-choice and wiki has this...

Abortion-rights movements[a] are movements that advocate for legal access to induced abortion services, including elective abortion. They seek to represent and support women who wish to terminate their pregnancy without fear of legal or social backlash. These movements are in direct opposition to anti-abortion movements.

Abortion-rights movement - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Pogo]

Also google pro-choice and wiki has this...

Abortion-rights movements[a] are movements that advocate for legal access to induced abortion services, including elective abortion. They seek to represent and support women who wish to terminate their pregnancy without fear of legal or social backlash. These movements are in direct opposition to anti-abortion movements.

Abortion-rights movement - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Yeah so, there has been movement in the attempt to clarify the positions since persons who wish to deny all the availability of an abortions for personal reasons and implied that the converse was to recomend abortions for no reason have seen the backlash to clarify the position as making abortion available as a choice.

Like many words movement has many meanings in different contexts, are you part of a movement in the morning after drinking your morning coffee?