Trump: "I've told them I want more weeks."

[Saint Frankenstein]

Just grossly misrepresent the pro-choice side, why don't we?

Why not, it happens to the pro life side all the time here. It's hardly that much of a misrepresentation when those same arguments are made in thread after thread.

 

[anna.]

Actually biologically the fetus is closer to a parasite in how the body responds to it, which is the cause of many pregnancy complications.

And nobody is saying that you have to have an abortion, but for the purposes of I did not intend to get pregnant and I do not want a baby now, for economic or any number of other reasons why should somebody other than myself make the decision for me in regards to a proceedure that has been done throughout recorded history, especially in these so called enlightened times where we guarantee liberty for all?

Don't want one, don't have one but as Tim says, "mind your own damn business."

I thought you were male, are you speaking with a general I-me-myself?

 

[We Never Know]

Would you force a child to give birth to the child of her father?

If you ever paid attention you would already know I have said many times cases of rape, incest, mother life in danger, etc are an exception.
But you seem to enjoy stirring the pot with BS.

 

[anna.]

From Axios:

Former President Trump said Thursday that an abortion limit banning the procedure after six weeks in Florida is "too short."​

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The big picture: Trump, who has long boasted that he was the one who "was able to kill Roe v. Wade," has flip-flopped on his abortion stance, campaigning with a leave-it-to-the-states approach.​

• Although he once indicated he favored a national abortion ban, the 2024 GOP presidential candidate announced in April that he believes the issue should be left up to states to decide.

Zoom in: Trump, a Florida resident, was asked in an interview with NBC News Thursday how he would vote on an abortion amendment on the ballot in his home state this November​

• The ballot measure, if passed, would nix the state's six-week ban and enshrine abortion access until fetal viability (around 24–28 weeks of pregnancy) in the state constitution.
• "I think the six week is too short, there has to be more time," Trump said. "I've told them I want more weeks."
• Without explicitly answering if he'll vote in favor of the measure, he said, "I am going to be voting that we need more than six weeks."

And we still don't know how Trump will vote.

I know someone who weighed 1 lb. 15 oz. when he was born prematurely, at about 24-25 weeks, iirc. He's a healthy teenager now.

What do you believe the cutoff should be for an elective abortion?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Why not, it happens to the pro life side all the time here. It's hardly that much of a misrepresentation when those same arguments are made in thread after thread.

Not much of a misrepresentation? He was entirely misrepresenting the pro-choice crowd, stating blatant fantasies rather than facts, amd from a man who believes he has a claim over the body of a woman he made pregnant.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Not much of a misrepresentation? He was entirely misrepresenting the pro-choice crowd, stating blatant fantasies rather than facts, amd from a man who believes he has a claim over the body of a woman he made pregnant.

You just misrepresented him right there! Being hurt that your partner aborted your child behind your back and believing that he had the right to a say in the matter is hardly making a claim over her body. It does take two to make a baby, you know. In fact, pro-life people are constantly slandered as promoting "forced birth" without a shred of evidence. However, you see pro-choice people comparing babies in the womb to parasites all the time, including in this thread.

 

[We Never Know]

I know someone who weighed 1 lb. 15 oz. when he was born prematurely, at about 24-25 weeks, iirc. He's a healthy teenager now.

What do you believe the cutoff should be for an elective abortion?

Back in the early 70's my little brother was born premature around 25 weeks. Had something to do with the Rh factor(or whatever its called). I think he weighed like 1lb 8oz.
He could easily fit in a shoe box. He is 50 now and doing well.

 

[anna.]

Back in the early 70's my little brother was born premature around 25 weeks. Had something to do with the Rh factor(or whatever its called). I think he weighed like 1lb 8oz.
He could easily fit in a shoe box. He is 50 now and doing well.

Amazing he survived, technology then was nothing like it is now for preemies.

 

[Argentbear]

I already gave you a post.
It even said a fetus is ultimately seen as disposable.

A fetus is disposable
People are deplorable
That seems to be the way of the left.

We got into this conversation because you completely disregards honesty when you put up propaganda claiming it is what half the people or the left think and feel. and here you are again making a dishonest claim about the left. SO we are back to the question I asked pages ago, and you ignored: Why do you feel the need to lie again and again about this?

 

[Kathryn]

A few years ago, my granddaughter wasn't born yet but her mom, a 19 year old single mother by the way, who has done GREAT, had an ultrasound. It showed that the baby basically had no kidneys, they were massively undeveloped. In fact, there was a pediatric specialist on hand at her birth, which was totally unnecessary because she was absolutely fine. This was done at about 30 weeks as a follow up to an earlier US which also showed a problem. No problem at all.

Oh by the way, my daughter who is biracial, was inundated by people wanting to adopt her baby, who would have been 1/4 African American and who supposedly had a serious health problem. Most of these people were white people from Church. I even had people calling ME, and assuring me that I would always be the grandmother of the baby, yada yada yada. My daughter kept her baby though.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I know someone who weighed 1 lb. 15 oz. when he was born prematurely, at about 24-25 weeks, iirc. He's a healthy teenager now.

"iirc"? Good.

... and given that you may not recall correctly?
... and given that the situation may be highly atypical?
... and given that you likely know little or nothing about the views if the medical personnel involved?
... and given that you likely know little or nothing concerning the physical and emotional health of the mother?
... and given that you likely know little or nothing about the extent and cost of required medical intervention?
... and given that you likely know little or nothing concerning the ability of the family to sustain those costs and emotional burdens?

What do you believe the cutoff should be for an elective abortion?

I believe:

• that only a fool would render a judgement given a childishly flimsy anecdote, and
• that it would be egregious to presume that my judgment should trump that of the mother and the informed medical professionals.

 

[Alien826]

I would like to meet those women who in 2024 succeed in getting pregnant despite the dozens of kinds of contraceptives available.

In the country which is the first world power.

I would like to ask them how they do that.

And by the way...6 weeks may be a little too short...but 8 weeks seem to be totally fine.

We are not in the Stone Age any more.

Birth Control Failure Rate Percentages

Birth Control Failure is more common than most people think. Our birth control chart shows the failure percentages for each birth control method.

americanpregnancy.org

This is a very long list, so I'll list a few. Percentages are failure rate.

Condom (male ) 18%
IUD (copper) 0.8%
Oral contraceptive 9%
Sterilization (female) 0.5%

So, even taking the safest of these there remains some risk. And not all contraceptives are available to all women (I didn't list the risk factors).

Of course the safest of all is abstinence (0%) but I doubt you feisty Italian women would choose that.

 

[Argentbear]

You just misrepresented him right there! Being hurt that your partner aborted your child behind your back and believing that he had the right to a say in the matter is hardly making a claim over her body. It does take two to make a baby, you know. In fact, pro-life people are constantly slandered as promoting "forced birth" without a shred of evidence. However, you see pro-choice people comparing babies in the womb to parasites all the time, including in this thread.

And if his "say in the matter" was at odds with hers what then?

 

[anna.]

"iirc"? Good.

... and given that you may not recall correctly?
... and given that the situation may be highly atypical?
... and given that you likely know little or nothing about the views if the medical personnel involved?
... and given that you likely know little or nothing concerning the physical and emotional health of the mother?
... and given that you likely know little or nothing about the extent and cost of required medical intervention?
... and given that you likely know little or nothing concerning the ability of the family to sustain those costs and emotional burdens?

I actually know quite a lot. Why do you assume otherwise?

I believe:

• that only a fool would render a judgement given a childishly flimsy anecdote, and
• that it would be egregious to presume that my judgment should trump that of the mother and the informed medical professionals.

Childishly flimsy? This it was about someone I know, but I'm not asking your 'judment' on that person, rather on elective abortions in general. If you don't have an answer, just say so.

 

[Argentbear]

I actually know quite a lot. Why do you assume otherwise?



Childishly flimsy? This it was about someone I know, but I'm not asking your 'judment' on that person, rather on elective abortions in general. If you don't have an answer, just say so.

I think the answer given was that it's not up to anyone but the people actually involved.

 

[anna.]

I think the answer given was that it's not up to anyone but the people actually involved.

I think the answer given was unnecessarily rude.

I'll say to you that there should be a cutoff for elective abortions that fall outside the standard exceptions. I know that most abortions are done early, but as a mother myself no, the baby isn't a parasite. No, we don't say we're expecting a fetus, or someone's throwing us a fetus shower. We know what we're carrying, and it's a life that is separate from ours, and I dislike much of what gets said in these discussions which is why I rarely enter them and will probably regret it this time too.

 

[Alien826]

I've told this before I will make this a short version.
When I was in my early twentites I had a woman abort our child without telling me.
Six months later when we were talking about marriage she came clean.
It took both of us to make it, so IMO we both should have had a say about it.
Long story short, I walked away and never looked back.

This is obviously personal you, so I'll try to be polite.

First, I would suggest that both of you benefited by your decision to end the relationship.

Then, you say you both "made it". In your case it was a short time of (hopefully) enjoyment. For her, that too, then nine months of discomfort, risk to her health, interruption to her career (maybe), plus the risk of single parenthood if the relationship didn't work out, and so on. Let's try a different example. She wants you to work in a coal mine because it will pay better than your current comfortable office job. You can discuss it, but who do your think should make the final decision?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I actually know quite a lot. Why do you assume otherwise?

You told us that "when he was born prematurely, at about 24-25 weeks, iirc." That does not suggest that you "actually know quite a lot."

You offered nothing else, suggesting that, either:

1. you did not "actually know quite a lot" about a host of relevant circumstances, or
2. you did not think them important (which is a form of ignorance in and of itself), or
3. both.

Childishly flimsy? This it was about someone I know, but I'm not asking your 'judment' on that person, ...

So the anecdote was little more than window dressing. Tell us, does this fortunate young man and his family know that you're leveraging the circumstances of his birth and upbringing in such a way?

... rather on elective abortions in general. If you don't have an answer, just say so.

The fact is that I don't have an answer because I don't believe in "elective abortions in general."

 

[We Never Know]

We got into this conversation because you completely disregards honesty when you put up propaganda claiming it is what half the people or the left think and feel. and here you are again making a dishonest claim about the left. SO we are back to the question I asked pages ago, and you ignored: Why do you feel the need to lie again and again about this?

It is no different from others saying...
-the right
-those on the right
-the republicans

I see it here all the time. Along with someone being called a MAGA simply because they support the republicans even though they dont like Trump.

 

[We Never Know]

And if his "say in the matter" was at odds with hers what then?

I never had the opportunity to have a say or choice. That's the point!