There are single fathers, you know. Way to spit on them.
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Don't forget "recent" Catholics, too. Faith does seem to come and go, sometimes, doesn't it?
Pogo
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There are, I'm one, but parenthood and manufacturing a child are not the same thing. Whether anyone wishes to become a parent is up to the individual, whether one wishes to give birth to a child is obviously limited to women and the choice is theirs.
I think abortion as a form of birth control is psychopathic so I don't agree with that. It's not hard to avoid pregnancy if you really really don't want a child. Straight people need to get over this stupid idea that they can have all the sex they want with no consequences. I mean, no one really can but hetero sex is what makes babies. That's the ultimate point of it.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Well, he was a republican.
And John Wayne Gacy was a Democrat heavily involved with local Chicago Democratic Party. Grow up.
Pogo
Well-Known Member
Fine teach sex ed, make contraception free and available but nothing is perfect even "sterilization" has a failure rate.
Abortion as a method of birth control is a right wing fantasy to make a boogey man out of the unlucky, consideration of it as an argument is indicative with an unwillingness to deal with reality and a wish to punish others for why?
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
I wasn't implying that him being a serial killer had anything to do with his party affiliation, but his stance on abortion on the other hand likely would have.
I'm fine with teaching sex ed and contraception. I'm also fine with questioning our overly sexual and pornographic pop culture. But, hey, at least the kids are too hooked on porn now to even bother having sex with each other so I guess that's one way to get the unwanted pregnancy rate down.
And don't you dare try to gaslight me. You and your fellow pro-choicers in this thread are arguing that a woman has the sole right to decide if she's going to end the pregnancy or not, for any reason. Obviously that includes for birth control which you seemed to approve of in your last post!
You're simply looking for a fight. It's childish. Look elsewhere ...
Pogo
Well-Known Member
Would make for a very interesting set of legal contracts, but as we all know there is no way they would be written let alone enforced in the current state of humanity, yet the know nothings and god botherers are sure that they would be reasonable in spite of all but token evidence to the contrary.
And that is ignoring the physical part.
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
And possibly not survive the process. And invariably have temporary and permanent changes, some that may end up quite severe.
Pogo
Well-Known Member
Yeah but women wanted equality, deal with it.
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
Yeah but women wanted equality, deal with it.
And given the wide array of often nightmarish conditions that come with pregnancy and after birth, I consider it quite equitable to have the decision to end it if it is unwanted.
Or maybe European pharmaceuticals are more effective?
Birth Control Failure Rate Percentages
Birth Control Failure is more common than most people think. Our birth control chart shows the failure percentages for each birth control method.americanpregnancy.org
This is a very long list, so I'll list a few. Percentages are failure rate.
Condom (male ) 18%
IUD (copper) 0.8%
Oral contraceptive 9%
Sterilization (female) 0.5%
So, even taking the safest of these there remains some risk. And not all contraceptives are available to all women (I didn't list the risk factors).
Of course the safest of all is abstinence (0%) but I doubt you feisty Italian women would choose that.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I'm only pro-choice because it is simply better than the horrific act of infanticide, instances of rape , and threat of life for the mother.
Abortion itself is a disgusting horrible act that a human can do to a developing child with some exception of course on part of the mother whom I think it would be better if a developing child would not best be born in the hands of any mother that simply does not want nor love it in any way. If it must be done, it should be before the fetus feels pain.
Pogo
Well-Known Member
No dear, you are just making one of your ridiculously indefensible arguments.
Pogo
Well-Known Member
Well that was basically the agreed upon logic for the last 50 years until the right wing got it's Toady to subvert the supreme court with a bunch of yahoos
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
That has nothing to do with abortion. But I will agree that the Republicans should have never messed with Roe versus Wade because it was essentially a stable policy.
We Never Know
No Slack
"While there was a consensus that abortion cannot replace contraceptive use, poor couple communication, lack of planning, lack of acceptable contraceptive methods and the pleasures that people associate with having unprotected sex result in the perception that some individuals rely on abortion over contraception to prevent unintended births"
Do women and men consider abortion as an alternative to contraception in the United States? An exploratory study - PubMed
The USA, a country with widespread access to the full range of modern methods of contraception, continues to have one of the highest abortion rates among developed countries. Forty-nine per cent of women reported ever experiencing an unintended pregnancy in 2001; 48% of these conceptions...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov