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"Trump Pays A Historic Price For Doing Business His Way: Impeachment"

Skwim

Veteran Member
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Selected remarks;

"Analysis: While the president and GOP loyalists insist he is a blameless victim, there will now be a big black asterisk emblazoned next to his name in the ledger of American history.
In the lowest moment of his presidency so far, the House impeached Trump on Wednesday on charges that he solicited foreign help in his re-election campaign, using taxpayer dollars as leverage, at the expense of national security interests and then covered it all up.

The particulars of the two articles of impeachment — falling under the headings of abuse of power and obstruction of Congress — are unquestionably more serious than those levied against Presidents Andrew Johnson, who was impeached along party lines in three days, and Bill Clinton.

While Trump and his Republican loyalists in the House insist that he is a blameless victim who will be exonerated by the Senate in the winter and voters next fall, there will now be a big black asterisk emblazoned next to his name in the ledger of American history. He will face those voters as one of only three presidents to suffer his fate in 230 years, even though more than two dozen of them have worked with a House majority of the other party — a sign that partisan division alone has not been sufficient to trigger impeachment.

"If the 700 historians and legal scholars who have weighed in are correct, this impeachment will look righteous and just in the eyes of history," said Paul Begala, who was an adviser to Clinton. "The Republicans' craven kowtowing will look shameful and cowardly."

Trump put on a brave face at a rally in Battle Creek, Michigan, a pivotal swing state Wednesday evening. But the gravity of the moment was hitting the president hard, according to Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C.

The politics of Trump's impeachment have been playing out for well over than a year. In the run-up to the 2018 midterm elections, he warned Republican voters that Democrats would seek to remove him from office if they won control of the House.

That admonition didn't work.

Democrats racked up a nearly 10 million-vote edge in their historic House victory last year, sweeping Rep. Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., back into the speakership and putting her in the position of managing her party base's desire to impeach the president. Moderate House Democrats, particularly in the freshman class, were wary of moving against the president, and Pelosi held back the impeachment push until a whistleblower report that was made public in September alleged that he had conditioned aid for Ukraine on political investigations."
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Stanyon

WWMRD?
-He will still probably win in 2020

-I can imagine the debates, what is the specifics of implementing your plans for the country? "well......Trump was impeached so there!"
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
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Selected remarks;

"Analysis: While the president and GOP loyalists insist he is a blameless victim, there will now be a big black asterisk emblazoned next to his name in the ledger of American history.
In the lowest moment of his presidency so far, the House impeached Trump on Wednesday on charges that he solicited foreign help in his re-election campaign, using taxpayer dollars as leverage, at the expense of national security interests and then covered it all up.

The particulars of the two articles of impeachment — falling under the headings of abuse of power and obstruction of Congress — are unquestionably more serious than those levied against Presidents Andrew Johnson, who was impeached along party lines in three days, and Bill Clinton.

While Trump and his Republican loyalists in the House insist that he is a blameless victim who will be exonerated by the Senate in the winter and voters next fall, there will now be a big black asterisk emblazoned next to his name in the ledger of American history. He will face those voters as one of only three presidents to suffer his fate in 230 years, even though more than two dozen of them have worked with a House majority of the other party — a sign that partisan division alone has not been sufficient to trigger impeachment.

"If the 700 historians and legal scholars who have weighed in are correct, this impeachment will look righteous and just in the eyes of history," said Paul Begala, who was an adviser to Clinton. "The Republicans' craven kowtowing will look shameful and cowardly."

Trump put on a brave face at a rally in Battle Creek, Michigan, a pivotal swing state Wednesday evening. But the gravity of the moment was hitting the president hard, according to Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C.

The politics of Trump's impeachment have been playing out for well over than a year. In the run-up to the 2018 midterm elections, he warned Republican voters that Democrats would seek to remove him from office if they won control of the House.

That admonition didn't work.

Democrats racked up a nearly 10 million-vote edge in their historic House victory last year, sweeping Rep. Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., back into the speakership and putting her in the position of managing her party base's desire to impeach the president. Moderate House Democrats, particularly in the freshman class, were wary of moving against the president, and Pelosi held back the impeachment push until a whistleblower report that was made public in September alleged that he had conditioned aid for Ukraine on political investigations."
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I'd say it's his high point actually as the Socialist Democrats have now wonderfully displayed their biased pettiness and sheer incompetence to the world with their willingness to abuse power to try to get their way.

News flash: Trump is not going to be removed from office anytime soon.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
-He will still probably win in 2020

-I can imagine the debates, what is the specifics of implementing your plans for the country? "well......Trump was impeached so there!"

They have no plans. They haven't worked a practical day since the election.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
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Selected remarks;

"Analysis: While the president and GOP loyalists insist he is a blameless victim, there will now be a big black asterisk emblazoned next to his name in the ledger of American history.
In the lowest moment of his presidency so far, the House impeached Trump on Wednesday on charges that he solicited foreign help in his re-election campaign, using taxpayer dollars as leverage, at the expense of national security interests and then covered it all up.

The particulars of the two articles of impeachment — falling under the headings of abuse of power and obstruction of Congress — are unquestionably more serious than those levied against Presidents Andrew Johnson, who was impeached along party lines in three days, and Bill Clinton.

While Trump and his Republican loyalists in the House insist that he is a blameless victim who will be exonerated by the Senate in the winter and voters next fall, there will now be a big black asterisk emblazoned next to his name in the ledger of American history. He will face those voters as one of only three presidents to suffer his fate in 230 years, even though more than two dozen of them have worked with a House majority of the other party — a sign that partisan division alone has not been sufficient to trigger impeachment.

"If the 700 historians and legal scholars who have weighed in are correct, this impeachment will look righteous and just in the eyes of history," said Paul Begala, who was an adviser to Clinton. "The Republicans' craven kowtowing will look shameful and cowardly."

Trump put on a brave face at a rally in Battle Creek, Michigan, a pivotal swing state Wednesday evening. But the gravity of the moment was hitting the president hard, according to Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C.

The politics of Trump's impeachment have been playing out for well over than a year. In the run-up to the 2018 midterm elections, he warned Republican voters that Democrats would seek to remove him from office if they won control of the House.

That admonition didn't work.

Democrats racked up a nearly 10 million-vote edge in their historic House victory last year, sweeping Rep. Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., back into the speakership and putting her in the position of managing her party base's desire to impeach the president. Moderate House Democrats, particularly in the freshman class, were wary of moving against the president, and Pelosi held back the impeachment push until a whistleblower report that was made public in September alleged that he had conditioned aid for Ukraine on political investigations."
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I'm not sure how history will judge this situation. I don't know if the act of impeachment, in and of itself, will necessarily change how historians evaluate a president. Historians have mostly shown that Andrew Johnson's impeachment was purely political and a result of Republican corruption at the time. Grant was never impeached, although that didn't prevent historians from painting his administration as highly corrupt.

Then there was Warren Harding, who also wasn't impeached, but his administration's corruption became common knowledge.

Nixon would have been impeached, but he resigned before the House voted on it. However, in the years that followed, Nixon had gained greater respect as an elder statesman. People tend to look at his presidency with a different eye now than they did back in the 70s. No one denies his wrongdoing, but they're looking it from a larger perspective, including both the bad and the good.

Clinton's impeachment was a joke, and I think history will ultimately come to see it that way. It doesn't mean history will necessarily have a positive view of Clinton's presidency, though. Same for Reagan, who was highly popular among his contemporaries, but temporal popularity doesn't necessarily translate to historical greatness.

By the same token, just because most people hate a president during his time, that doesn't mean historians will look at them the same way. Lincoln was hated by many during his time in office.
 

Stanyon

WWMRD?
This will work in Trumps favour, people elected him to "shake up" what they saw as the elites and they have struck back over and over since he was elected. To many, this will be proof of how broken our system really is and who pulls the strings. Some of the best stories ever written or told are about an outsider or an underdog who overcomes the odds and comes out ahead, it resonates with many people on very deep levels- It should and will be exploited!
 

Stanyon

WWMRD?
The dems seem so blinded by their Trump hate that they do not seem to understand the impeachment is but a Pyrrhic victory, history will not be kind to them.
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
I really don’t know if this will be good or bad for Trump, I don’t know if this will be good or bad for Democrats or Republicans,

But I think it is a good thing for the U.S. and I congratulated you. Future Presidents will know that if they do what Trump did, if they solicit political assistance from a foreign power they will be impeached.

That is a good thing.
 

Stanyon

WWMRD?
Future Presidents will know that if they do what Trump did, if they solicit political assistance from a foreign power they will be impeached.

It hasn't gone to the senate trial yet, all is but accusations until evidence and witnesses are properly cross examined.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
This will work in Trumps favour, people elected him to "shake up" what they saw as the elites and they have struck back over and over since he was elected. To many, this will be proof of how broken our system really is and who pulls the strings. Some of the best stories ever written or told are about an outsider or an underdog who overcomes the odds and comes out ahead, it resonates with many people on very deep levels- It should and will be exploited!
"Shake up"? What shake up? Putting people like Rick Perry in charge of Energy? Overriding his own Generals and Admirals?

The system is far more broken because of his "leadership" over the past several years.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
The dems seem so blinded by their Trump hate that they do not seem to understand the impeachment is but a Pyrrhic victory, history will not be kind to them.
History will show that Trump was impeached for Abuse of Power and Obstructon of Congress.

That is all that history will show. If, a hundred years from now, historians research the events of 2019, they will conclude that Trump deserved to be impeached. Some will wonder why the charges did not include Extortion of a Sovereign Nation.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
It hasn't gone to the senate trial yet, all is but accusations until evidence and witnesses are properly cross examined.

Oh, good. You are in favor of witnesses being properly cross-examined.

It's too bad that your party leaders will not allow that.
 

Stanyon

WWMRD?
That is all that history will show. If, a hundred years from now, historians research the events of 2019, they will conclude that Trump deserved to be impeached. Some will wonder why the charges did not include Extortion of a Sovereign Nation.

Or maybe not, I find it strange you are attempting to predict something none of us will ever see. I imagine they did not include extortion because it would have been ridiculous to even try.
 

shmogie

Well-Known Member
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Selected remarks;

"Analysis: While the president and GOP loyalists insist he is a blameless victim, there will now be a big black asterisk emblazoned next to his name in the ledger of American history.
In the lowest moment of his presidency so far, the House impeached Trump on Wednesday on charges that he solicited foreign help in his re-election campaign, using taxpayer dollars as leverage, at the expense of national security interests and then covered it all up.

The particulars of the two articles of impeachment — falling under the headings of abuse of power and obstruction of Congress — are unquestionably more serious than those levied against Presidents Andrew Johnson, who was impeached along party lines in three days, and Bill Clinton.

While Trump and his Republican loyalists in the House insist that he is a blameless victim who will be exonerated by the Senate in the winter and voters next fall, there will now be a big black asterisk emblazoned next to his name in the ledger of American history. He will face those voters as one of only three presidents to suffer his fate in 230 years, even though more than two dozen of them have worked with a House majority of the other party — a sign that partisan division alone has not been sufficient to trigger impeachment.

"If the 700 historians and legal scholars who have weighed in are correct, this impeachment will look righteous and just in the eyes of history," said Paul Begala, who was an adviser to Clinton. "The Republicans' craven kowtowing will look shameful and cowardly."

Trump put on a brave face at a rally in Battle Creek, Michigan, a pivotal swing state Wednesday evening. But the gravity of the moment was hitting the president hard, according to Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C.

The politics of Trump's impeachment have been playing out for well over than a year. In the run-up to the 2018 midterm elections, he warned Republican voters that Democrats would seek to remove him from office if they won control of the House.

That admonition didn't work.

Democrats racked up a nearly 10 million-vote edge in their historic House victory last year, sweeping Rep. Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., back into the speakership and putting her in the position of managing her party base's desire to impeach the president. Moderate House Democrats, particularly in the freshman class, were wary of moving against the president, and Pelosi held back the impeachment push until a whistleblower report that was made public in September alleged that he had conditioned aid for Ukraine on political investigations."
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This was the seventh attempt at impeachment by the democrats. Seven times in three years democrats tried to generate impeachment on the house floor.

They finally succeeded with articles of impeachment that DID NOT, identify "treason, bribery, or other high crimes or misdemeanors". The very first impeachment in history where this Constitutional requirement is not met. The democrats did not specify even one statutory crime, they made crimes up.

Impeachment will only help Trump, and harm the democrats.

Impeachment is the gift from the democrats that will keep on giving.

With impeachment, the democrats have put the hangman's noose around their neck.

The election of 2020 will show they jumped off a building with that noose around their neck.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
-He will still probably win in 2020

-I can imagine the debates, what is the specifics of implementing your plans for the country? "well......Trump was impeached so there!"
Don't worry. Moscow Mitch will sit on a thousand bills chanting nyah nyah nyah happily watching the country go down the tubes as Emperor Trump murders people in the streets with no consequences.
 
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