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Trump promises "full pardons, apology" to Capitol rioters if elected.

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Autocratic mandates? Do you mean like forbidding abortion where possible, deputizing citizens to turn in their neighbors for a bounty, forbidding transgender discussion in schools, banning books over political correctness, and "Don't say gay?" with sanctions against Disney for daring to defy?

Now that finally, your fully aware of the dangers of compulsory mandate drivin policymaking, I suppose our enlightened politicians will stop this practice going foreword. No?
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Only for you. Others have seen plentiful attackes on the bill of rights and amendments far back as 2016.

Democrats Attack 3 Of The 10 Amendments In The Bill Of Rights

Include the 8th on that list as well..
If you want those that disagree with you to take you seriously you need to find reliable sources. This one is far right and has a mixed rating when it comes to reliability:

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/investors-business-daily/

It looks as if all of that is rather old news too. Before Trump was elected. The Democrats had a sit in about limiting those on the no fly list from buying guns. This one was a bit of a stretch

The second was about trying to find a way to curb America's sick love affair with guns. Both of these were probably due to the Las Vegas mass murder. This was not unreasonable.

The third was about trying to find a way to keep big business from controlling the government. Okay, you are right there. That was going too far!
 
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England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
If you want those that disagree with you to take you seriously you need to find reliable sources. This one is far right and has a mixed rating when it comes to reliability:

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/investors-business-daily/
Oh yea.. ;0]

Only reliable for your interests. All others are obviously useless.

News flash. I will continue pick the sources I want to pick.

It's not my problem if you deny and reject anything and everything that dosent conform to your personal worldview.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
In a radio broadcast Thursday, former President Donald Trump promised to consider full pardons, with apologies, to those indicted or convicted in the January 6 Capitol riot.

Still think he's a "law and order" kinda guy?
Classic fascist talking point ... "the rule of law only applies to our enemies". "Not to us".
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
Special master - Wikipedia
Excerpted....
In the law of the United States, a special master is generally a subordinate official appointed by a judge to make sure that judicial orders are actually followed....


To us ordinary folk, having someone to ensure
orders are followed is entirely unknown. It would
be great if orders were enforced, instead of having
to spend a lot of money filing motion after motion
to get a judge to enforce them.

But in this case of executive privilege he doesn’t have any,he’s plain mr Trump and all the documents have been studied and separated by the executive division plus there is no precedent for one in this case as I see it.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Oh yea.. ;0]

Only reliable for your interests. All others are obviously useless.

News flash. I will continue pick the sources I want to pick.

It's not my problem if you deny and reject anything and everything that dosent conform to your personal worldview.
No Reliable for all. To get the MIXED or lower ratings they have to be able to show that the sites are demonstrably wrong several times.

If sites like that are not unbiased themselves they lose money. It is in their own self interest to be as neutral as possible.

Now you have gone off into conspiracy theory. Not a good sign.

And when it comes to you continuing to pick lunatic right sites we will continue to laugh at you when you make yourself look foolish by doing so.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
No Reliable for all. To get the MIXED or lower ratings they have to be able to show that the sites are demonstrably wrong several times.

If sites like that are not unbiased themselves they lose money. It is in their own self interest to be as neutral as possible.

Now you have gone off into conspiracy theory. Not a good sign.
Expected response as usual. *yawn*
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Silly argument. Trump granted 143 pardons in a SINGLE TERM. Obama granted 212 in TWO terms. Also, George H.W. Bush also had a single term, the the ONLY president who granted fewer pardons than Obama in 2 terms is George W. Bush.

Oh, and Roosevelt? He served four terms (you can't do that anymore). So he had a bit more time.
OK... so, what you are saying is 105 a term is ok but 143 isn't... which the line so I can make sure I write to them at that point and say "stop"?
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
OK... so, what you are saying is 105 a term is ok but 143 isn't... which the line so I can make sure I write to them at that point and say "stop"?
One has to look at motivations of pardons. Trump pardoned a high percentage of the criminals that supported him. They broke real laws. They were justly sentenced. I am sure that there are some questionable pardons by Obama, but generally his and those of other Presidents were examples of miscarriages of justice. Though I will not agree with all of his pardons either.
 

Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Not to worry, President Biden will pardon them before Trump is inaugurated.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
One has to look at motivations of pardons. Trump pardoned a high percentage of the criminals that supported him. They broke real laws. They were justly sentenced. I am sure that there are some questionable pardons by Obama, but generally his and those of other Presidents were examples of miscarriages of justice. Though I will not agree with all of his pardons either.
I would agree that all presidents do it and that all pardon criminals.Even Obama:
1. James Robert Adelman
Adelman of Tulsa, Oklahoma, was convicted of conspiracy to embezzle by a trustee, embezzlement by a trustee, and making a false account in 1989. He was sentenced to 12 years in prison and ordered to pay $350,000 in restitution.

2. Octavio Joaquin Armenteros
Armenteros of Jacksonville, Florida, was convicted of intent to possess and distribute cocaine. He was sentenced to 46 months' imprisonment with three years' supervised release in 1995.
 
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