exchemist
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Nice example of whataboutery.
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Trump promises "full pardons, apology" to Capitol rioters if elected.
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Of course you will. But then, you mustn't be disappointed when some of us, who know the quality of those sources, judge your posts accordingly.
stvdv
Veteran Member
Your reply/claim is obviously FALSE
That is so true..... I cringe when my President Biden speaks too.
Wandering Monk
Well-Known Member
Pardon people like this?! Brown shirts!
Videos show Ryan Nichols' alleged involvement in Capitol riot | cbs19.tv
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Right. Because you think your just smarter and better than anyone else.Of course you will. But then, you mustn't be disappointed when some of us, who know the quality of those sources, judge your posts accordingly.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
I am trying to find more information on these two. The first one appears to be more of a pardon to restore the rights that he had before conviction. He had served his full term in prison even before Obama was elected. I do believe, though I could be wrong, that legally a pardon can make it as if the crime never happened. That one may not be particularly controversial.
stvdv
Veteran Member
Narcs are good in covering for themselves
Ever heard a Narc genuinely apologize?
stvdv
Veteran Member
I know politicians don't speak truth always
I know Trump does not lie always
"Law & Order" based on lies?
Does it even exist?
Not at all. Just smarter than those who believe untrustworthy or biased sources. A practical skepticism does indeed make one smarter.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Armenteros also had to have served his full sentence. He was convicted in 1995 and had only a short prison term. He was out before Bush even took office:
4. Octavio Joaquin Armenteros
Armenteros of Jacksonville, Florida, was convicted of intent to possess and distribute cocaine. He was sentenced to 46 months' imprisonment with three years' supervised release in 1995.
If those two kept clean after their prison terms I do not have a big problem with either of those pardons.
4. Octavio Joaquin Armenteros
Armenteros of Jacksonville, Florida, was convicted of intent to possess and distribute cocaine. He was sentenced to 46 months' imprisonment with three years' supervised release in 1995.
If those two kept clean after their prison terms I do not have a big problem with either of those pardons.
Sam Waterston says yes.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Apparently.
Democrats offer plan to free more prisoners by overhauling presidential clemency process
“Top Priority Is Release”: Will Rikers Island Free More Prisoners as 60+ Test Positive for COVID-19? | Democracy Now!
https://thenybanner.com/index.php/2...m-rikers-island-de-blasio-actually-disagrees/
I'll only encourage you to read your own links with a little bit of critical thinking. My history of reading your posts suggests, of course, that you will not. But if you would (or could), you might understand why I dismiss you so readily.
Suave
Simulated character
"Please note if Trump were convicted of willfully and unlawfully removing government documents, he would be legally prohibited from holding any office under the United States, including the Presidency,
18 U.S. Code § 2071 - Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally
Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
(b)
Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States.. As used in this subsection, the term “office” does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States.
Since there is indisputable photographic evidence of Trump's mishandling of top-secret documents strewn about the floor of his office at Mar-A-Lago, we should expect Trump to be legally convicted of mishandling government documents thereby lawfully prohibiting him from being the P,O.T,U.S.."
Should the F.B.I. raid Mar A Lago again? | Religious Forums
Wandering Monk
Well-Known Member
"Please note if Trump were convicted of willfully and unlawfully removing government documents, he would be legally prohibited from holding any office under the United States, including the Presidency,
18 U.S. Code § 2071 - Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally
Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
(b)
Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States.. As used in this subsection, the term “office” does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States.
Since there is indisputable photographic evidence of Trump's mishandling of top-secret documents strewn about the floor of his office at Mar-A-Lago, we should expect Trump to be legally convicted of mishandling government documents thereby lawfully prohibiting him from being the P,O.T,U.S.."
Should the F.B.I. raid Mar A Lago again? | Religious Forums
I am no Trumpist, but you should recognize that this may not be the condition the documents were found in, but were set out on the floor by the FBI to document the things they found.
You need to be careful about that last statement: it seems pretty clear that the documents were strewn on the floor by the agents involved in the recovery, and that it was done as part of the collection and recording of evidence (see the little "2A" paper). That means that Trump is quite accurate when he suggests that the documents were not just found lying about like that."Since there is indisputable photographic evidence of Trump's mishandling of top-secret documents strewn about the floor of his office at Mar-A-Lago, we should expect Trump to be legally convicted of mishandling government documents thereby lawfully prohibiting him from being the P,O.T,U.S.."
Should the F.B.I. raid Mar A Lago again? | Religious Forums
That is obviously true and no one is denying that. But regardless these documents were in his possession. That is the crime here. It doesn’t matter if he kept them on the floor, or in the basement, or in his desk, or in the freezer behind the ice cream.
Sorry, didn't notice that you beat me to the punch.
Wandering Monk
Well-Known Member
Agreed. Trump seized on the opportunity this photograph provided to say the the FBI DELIBERATELY scattered them around to make him look bad and the right wing talking heads joined in the chorus.