Trump rally attracts tens of thousands of people in support.

[SkepticThinker]

So it's OK with you that a million more people die who would have been saved by being sensible until a vaccine comes on line next year.

I'm one of those older multiple risk people who you would callously consign to death because of your unwillingness to think about the welfare of others.

Your attitude is why we need a mask mandate backed up with a full bore police and if necessary national guard enforcement presence. If people don't do the right thing voluntarily force is needed.

And it's not just "older" people who are at risk. I work with two women who are in their thirties and forties that have compromised immune systems that absolutely cannot catch COVID.
I know we all like to dismiss the older people as casualties or whatever (well, I don't, but I see others doing it), but it's not just old people who are at risk of becoming very ill and/or dying.

 

[SkepticThinker]

And no social distancing.

Of course, this whole Covid thing is fake news, anyway. Just a tryout for the massive, Left wing police state to come.

I have a friend who seriously, 100%, totally believes that.
Global World Order or something, New World Order .. I can't remember exactly ...

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Oh? From over here it was not shown like that at all. Specific cities named, a few, in a big country. How thing seem is generally how yiu choose to have them seem, dont you think so?

From other there may be a key distinction. If you watched RW sources here theor spin was to over play and over hype the riots to make them seem more widespread and bigger and more destructive than they actually were, with some going as far as denouncing all the protesting as riots.

 

[Twilight Hue]

1. People don't wear masks.
2. The virus spreads more and more.
3. Businesses are forced to shut down because of government imposed restrictions and people (half the population) not wanting to go to restaurants and gyms and even churches.
4. The economy suffers far more than necessary.

Number 1. causes number 4.

Intentionally causing the economy to retract is treasonous.
Intentionally spreading a viral disease is treasonous.


Do you think China's economy is suffering today as much as our economy is suffering?
Do you think Chinese businesses are suffering today as much as our businesses are suffering?
Do you think the Chinese people are suffering today as much as our people are suffering?

The answer is No, no, and no.

The difference is the strong action by the nations' leaders.

But, do go right ahead and attend big rallies not wearing a mask. Please continue to ignore the problem. More people who believe like you will get sick and die and more people who take this seriously will live to vote in the next election. It's called survival of the fittest. In the 21st Century, the fittest are the people smart enough to grasp the reality of a pandemic.

1) people wear masks.

2) The virus still spreads anyways albeit a bit slower. The mask does nothing to the virus aside from a little slowing down.

3) Businesses open only to be shut down again because virus is still here no matter what.

4) The economy suffers because of forced shutdown. Alternatively that never had to be the case if they weren't shut down in the first place. Like Sweden.

Communist China lies more than Trump ever did.

~fixed~

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The same herd immunity we see in the wilds. Eventually the virus will run its course and yes there will be death but thats just how it is.

Its not that I like it, I just feel we need to realize we as a species are not going to be the top dogs all the time, and need to face it like every living creature does on this planet.

We are humans, and even our pre-homo sapiens ancestors took care of each other. They didn't say "**** em and let them die." We don't have to do a lot of what we do. We are humans, we don't need to let excessive amounts of people die. Afterall, we have these big brains and intelligence were so proud of.

 

[Audie]

From other there may be a key distinction. If you watched RW sources here theor spin was to over play and over hype the riots to make them seem more widespread and bigger and more destructive than they actually were, with some going as far as denouncing all the protesting as riots.

All I am seeing here is a partisan pov, backed by fact-free vague generalities, and support for atrocious behaviour by rioters.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

2) The virus still spreads anyways albeit a bit slower. The mask does nothing to the virus aside from a little slowing down.

Try "significant slow down." This is why Trump's administration has had a problem with covid, compared to Biden's campaign amd transition team.
Amd, again, lets look at the countries were people did what they should have and now don't have much to worry about. I'd love to be at that point but apparently you don't because you consistently promote things that hinder us in that goal.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Fascinating. I’ve seen countless reports of left wing protestors with no masks (unless they’re hurling obscenities at police).

I haven't. Where?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

All I am seeing here is a partisan pov, backed by fact-free vague generalities, and support for atrocious behaviour by rioters.

Support for riots? I don't see much of that going on. But I see a lot of this:
It’s time to change the way the media reports on protests. Here are some ideas.

The paradigm traces its origins to at least the 1980s, when researchers looked at how the media covered anti-war protests. It’s the idea that “the press contributes to the political status quo by reinforcing whatever the government thinks,” said Danielle Kilgo, a professor of journalism at the University of Minnesota, Twin Cities.

In essence, when it comes to protests, this means that the media is biased toward the status quo. Dr. Kilgo noted that while this idea can “seem a little conspiracy theory,” this is generally how it plays out in practice. A 2010 study that analyzed 40 years of protest coverage in five major newspapers, including The New York Times and The Washington Post, found that the papers depicted protests — even peaceful ones — as nuisances rather than as necessary functions of democracy. To illustrate this point, the study pointed to a 1992 Seattle Times story that described a protest thusly: “The demonstrations began with a University of Washington protest and march from the campus that snarled traffic on Interstate 5 yesterday afternoon.”

 

[SigurdReginson]

1) people wear masks.

2) The virus still spreads anyways albeit a bit slower. The mask does nothing to the virus aside from a little slowing down.

3) Businesses open only to be shut down again because virus is still here no matter what.

4) The economy suffers because of forced shutdown. Alternatively that never had to be the case if they weren't shut down in the first place. Like Sweden.

Communist China lies more than Trump ever did.

~fixed~

To be fair, Sweden is most definitely not the united States. Sweden is a conservative culture where people socially distanced long before covid reared its ugly head. It's also a country of 10 million that occupies a very large land mass, and definitely doesn't have the metropolitan population centers that the united States has.

This is not a 1 to 1 comparison.

 

[Revoltingest]

Refusing to wear a mask in the middle of a pandemic is the height of foolishness and irresponsibility.

I strike a balance....preferring maskless social distancing out of doors.
Indoors (when not with immediate family) I wear a mask around all
these disease ridden humans.

 

[Twilight Hue]

We are humans, and even our pre-homo sapiens ancestors took care of each other. They didn't say "**** em and let them die." We don't have to do a lot of what we do. We are humans, we don't need to let excessive amounts of people die. Afterall, we have these big brains and intelligence were so proud of.

Gombe Chimpanzee War: A Brutal and Violent Conflict Between Two Groups of Chimps that Lasted Four Years

 

[Twilight Hue]

Animals pull through fine with what?

The ability to survive as a species.

 

[Audie]

Support for riots? I don't see much of that going on. But I see a lot of this:
It’s time to change the way the media reports on protests. Here are some ideas.

Calling riots peaceful protests, summer of love,
and caving to insane demands like defending the police or allowing occupation zones,
painting their slogans on public roads, defending them as above, all see, like support to ignorant foreign eyes.

 

[SigurdReginson]

Calling riots peaceful protests, summer of love,
and caving to insane demands like defending the police or allowing occupation zones,
painting their slogans on public roads, defending them as above, all see, like support to ignorant foreign eyes.

You know, I actually do live near Seattle (and I notice you reference CHOP). Seattle is a mess; though it is a mess without the riots, and has been for some time.

There was no property destruction in my area, or the other cities around Seattle at all. The protests were all positive and friendly, really.

News will always take the absolute worst examples and inflate them to more than what they are.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Gombe Chimpanzee War: A Brutal and Violent Conflict Between Two Groups of Chimps that Lasted Four Years

Those are chimps. The Neanderthal's left evidence indicating they took care of their infirm.

 

[Audie]

You know, I actually do live near Seattle (and I notice you reference CHOP). Seattle is a mess; though it is a mess without the riots, and has been for some time.

There was no property destruction in my area, or the other cities around Seattle at all. The protests were all positive and friendly, really.

News will always take the absolute worst examples and inflate them to more than what they are.

That is news for ya.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Calling riots peaceful protests, summer of love,
and caving to insane demands like defending the police or allowing occupation zones,
painting their slogans on public roads, defending them as above, all see, like support to ignorant foreign eyes.

No, it was the opposite. The protests--legit peaceful protests--were dismissed as widely and mostly violent riots.
I even posted a link showing how this is a trend of misrepresenting protests.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

You know, I actually do live near Seattle (and I notice you reference CHOP). Seattle is a mess; though it is a mess without the riots, and has been for some time.

There was no property destruction in my area, or the other cities around Seattle at all. The protests were all positive and friendly, really.

News will always take the absolute worst examples and inflate them to more than what they are.

I still remember one report with a journalist basically being "Well, here is the scene of all the riots and destruction but clearly there is just none to be found here in this spot identified by RW news sources." But, apparently, it's only "RW PC" to call all these protests riots.

 

[Martin]

I strike a balance....preferring maskless social distancing out of doors.
Indoors (when not with immediate family) I wear a mask around all
these disease ridden humans.

Me too. I feel sorry for people who have to wear a mask all day at work.