Trump says he is a nationalist

[Rival]

The only types of trap I know of are a music genre and a slur against trans women.

Trap Nation

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Trap Nation

The YouTube channel?

 

[Rival]

The YouTube channel?

Alright, I need to go to bed now else I'll continue making sh*tty puns

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Alright, I need to go to bed now else I'll continue making sh*tty puns

Goodnight!

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Words tend to be fluid, and shape shift over time... Especially across cultures and traditions.

...You might be going by the European definition, or perhaps some other definition.

In this case, Trump's usage is a dog whistle.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

To me, a patriot is someone who sports a flag, wears U.S.A buttons, and has red, white and blue clothes on.

A nationalist, to me, is someone who supports politics that favor the United States and helps citizens. IOW, not a globalist.

Definition of a patriot:

"one who loves and supports his or her country."

Definition of Nationalism:

"a member of a political party or group advocating national independence or strong national government."

Source: Merriam-Webster Dictionary

If anyone thinks Trump is a patriot has some serious issues. This man couldn't even serve combat much less care for the American people. This is not me saying anyone that has a different opinion than me has issues there is just too much verifiable evidence that this man does not have the country's best interest at heart. it's just so frustrating to have so much evidence and people just act like Trump's automatons.

 

[Shad]

In this case, Trump's usage is a dog whistle.

He is and this is obvious if you watch any rally speech. One target audience is the supporters. The other are his opposition which will provide fodder for the next speech. Every speech he does has bait for the media and political opponents, which they are more than willing to bite, which he can spin later to his benefit.

 

[Stevicus]

Why are you guys so naive about trump?

Trump is a certified racist with provable evidence that he as well as his father have a history of racism. FFS he hired Steve Bannon of former breitbart a white supremacist site, as well as having a speech writer that was later fired for being seen at a white nationalist rally. Not to mention the man said there were good people on both sides including the white nationalist who among them killed an innocent young lady.

I can’t believe (well I can actually) you all think his definition could mean anything. It is clear given his history he is referring to white nationalism.

Well, when we're talking about American nationalism or patriotism, it pretty much comes down to basically the same thing. US history is what it is. It's just that in recent decades, we've seen the rise of a more sanitized, politically correct version of "patriotism" that gives guys like Trump a veneer of "plausible deniability" when it comes to subjects like this.

I'm not naive about nationalism at all. With slight technical differences, nationalism and racism are basically the same thing. It's those who are trying to suggest that "no, nationalism is different" who are being naive.

 

[Stevicus]

"Defender of World Freedom". Don't want to argue with anyone but honestly this makes me laugh soooo much..:lol:

It was meant to be funny. At least someone got the joke.

 

[Estro Felino]

Definition of a patriot:

"one who loves and supports his or her country."

Definition of Nationalism:

"a member of a political party or group advocating national independence or strong national government."

Source: Merriam-Webster Dictionary

If anyone thinks Trump is a patriot has some serious issues. This man couldn't even serve combat much less care for the American people. This is not me saying anyone that has a different opinion than me has issues there is just too much verifiable evidence that this man does not have the country's best interest at heart. it's just so frustrating to have so much evidence and people just act like Trump's automatons.

Wrong. listen to Bannon here at 44:00

 

[ADigitalArtist]

I appreciate the balance in your post. You seem suprisingly open to understanding the situation from all the various angles.

The truth isn't somewhere in the middle.

 

[Revoltingest]

.....nationalism and racism are basically the same thing.

Nah.
It means putting the country first.
It could mean racism, oppression, anarchy, multi-culturalism,
theocracy, commuinism, the dole or some other agenda.
To me, it means helping those in before those without.

 

[Stevicus]

Nah.
It means putting the country first.
It could mean racism, oppression, anarchy, multi-culturalism,
theocracy, commuinism, the dole or some other agenda.
To me, it means helping those in before those without.

Putting one's country first is the same basic notion as putting one's race first. I notice that you omitted the part where I wrote "with slight technical differences."

It doesn't automatically mean "aggressive," though. There are passive forms where it can mean just as you say ("helping those in before those without"). A lot of racists say the same thing. They say they don't hate non-white people; they just love white people more. I don't see how that's significantly different (in terms of effect) than a Japanese person saying he loves Japanese people more than non-Japanese. Or an American saying he loves American people more than non-Americans.

 

[Revoltingest]

Putting one's country first is the same basic notion as putting one's race first.

Putting the country first can mean regardless of race.
There's too much reading of racism in everything.

 

[Stevicus]

Putting the country first can mean regardless of race.

That's beside the point. The only appreciable difference is in where one arbitrarily draws the dividing line between "one of us" and "the other."

Whether one bases it on citizenship, nationality, race, religion, eye color, or foot size - it leads to the same basic result: Some humans are included and some humans are excluded.

There's too much reading of racism in everything.

Well, I would agree that there's a lot of wordsmithing and quibbling over definitions and technicalities. There was once a time when "race" and "nationality" were used interchangeably.

Or when people suggest that a ban on Muslim immigration is racist, the standard reply is that it can't be racist because Muslims are not a race. This is technically true, but when the impact of such a ban largely affects mostly darker-skinned peoples from Africa and Asia, then the effect is pretty obvious.

 

[Revoltingest]

That's beside the point

To me, it's the point.

. The only appreciable difference is in where one arbitrarily draws the dividing line between "one of us" and "the other."

It's not arbitrary.
Those of us who live & pay taxes here vote in a government to serve us.
Wanting service for own before other countries makes sense.

Whether one bases it on citizenship, nationality, race, religion, eye color, or foot size - it leads to the same basic result: Some humans are included and some humans are excluded.

Yes, it will exclude people in other countries.
But I don't see it as being about race, religion, eye color, etc.

Well, I would agree that there's a lot of wordsmithing and quibbling over definitions and technicalities. There was once a time when "race" and "nationality" were used interchangeably.

Or when people suggest that a ban on Muslim immigration is racist, the standard reply is that it can't be racist because Muslims are not a race. This is technically true, but when the impact of such a ban largely affects mostly darker-skinned peoples from Africa and Asia, then the effect is pretty obvious.

We can pursue national interests without it being about race.
To oppose nationalism doesn't advance racial tolerance anyway.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Well, when we're talking about American nationalism or patriotism, it pretty much comes down to basically the same thing. US history is what it is. It's just that in recent decades, we've seen the rise of a more sanitized, politically correct version of "patriotism" that gives guys like Trump a veneer of "plausible deniability" when it comes to subjects like this.

I'm not naive about nationalism at all. With slight technical differences, nationalism and racism are basically the same thing. It's those who are trying to suggest that "no, nationalism is different" who are being naive.

I see what you're saying

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Wrong. listen to Bannon here at 44:00

What in 44:00 do you wish for me to get?

 

[ChristineM]

I argue the inverse. Nationalism drives politics. Not the other way around.
Revolutionary nationalism is more progressive than colonial nationalism.

Nationalism is nationalism.

 

[Revoltingest]

Nationalism is nationalism.

Finally!
A post I cannot possibly argue against.