Trump Says He Will Invoke the Alien and Sedition Act of 1798

[Argentbear]

Well illegal hard drugs are good for the economy too but should we allow it?

Bull.
billion in lost productivity,
Billions spent on drug abuse treatment.
Billions spent on the criminal justice system due to criminal investigation, prosecution
Billions spent on incarceration
Billions spent on healthcare costs

Millions of people lost to premature death

 

[Twilight Hue]

"That if any person shall write, print, utter or publish, or shall cause or procure to be written, printed, uttered or published, or shall knowingly and willingly assist or aid in writing, printing, uttering or publishing any false, scandalous and malicious writing or writings against the government of the United States, or either house of the Congress of the United States, or the President of the United States, with intent to defame the said government, or either house of the said Congress, or the said President"

Read that carefully. ANYONE

And with a President with complete immunity and a grudge against political rivals it doesn't require any imagination to see the danger.

I recently defended legal Haitian immigrants on this very forum. I violated that act in that particular Presidents eyes.

Keep in mind this act was from 1798 and was put forward by the Federalist Party who strongly advocated for a centralized government.

 

[Wandering Monk]

@Clizby Wampuscat

Trump hired two firms to find evidence of voter fraud, paying out about $1.3 million. They both found nothing that would have changed the outcome. Researcher for Trump confirms: The hunt for election fraud didn’t go especially well

Republicans in Arizona hired Cyber Ninjas for the same purpose. Results were the same. GOP review finds no proof Arizona election stolen from Trump

Far right site Gateway Pundit was sued for defamation by two election workers in Georgia. In court they admitted finally that they had no evidence that these two rigged votes. Far-right website admits there was no fraud at 2020 vote count in Atlanta

About 80 court cases brought by Trump over the election have been tossed or ruled against.

Are we to assume that EVERYONE is lying, but Trump is telling the truth?

If Trump wants to be elected, why doesn't he make his specific evidence of voter fraud public? At this point he doesn't need to convince a court, only the voters.

 

[Viker]

Keep in mind this act was from 1798 and was put forward by the Federalist Party who strongly advocated for a centralized government.

Exactly. The last time this act was invoked and acted upon was during WW1, a war nearly everyone hated and opposed. It's not just about immigration it's about redefining sedition to mean ANY criticism of government, a President, etc. It's also a contradictory affront to free speech and freedom of the press.

 

[Valjean]

Most of the media is an arm of the dem party. They don't tell the truth, I agree with him. How many stories did they say were false and were true like the Hunter Laptop story or reported as true that were false such as the Russian collusion and dossier. Recently 60 minutes doctored Kamala's answers, you can see the two answers. They are not even trying to hide their bias anymore.

Telling people you cannot question the media is dangerous because the alternative is believing everything they tell you no matter what. Telling people you cannot question an election is dangerous because you will never catch anyone cheating.

No, the media is mostly owned and overseen by right-wing corporatists. Even the famously "radical liberal" media are pulling their punches.

Democracy in Peril: Twenty Years of Media Consolidation Under the Telecommunications Act

In 1996, President Clinton signed the bill into law. Today, the media industry is donating big to Hillary Clinton’s campaign.

truthout.org

The act dramatically reduced important Federal Communications Commission (FCC) regulations on cross ownership, and allowed giant corporations to buy up thousands of media outlets across the country, increasing their monopoly on the flow of information in the United States and around the world.

Listen to Solnit's first ten or twelve minutes of commentary on media bias and sanewashing, beginning a minute or so in:

 

[Valjean]

Well illegal hard drugs are good for the economy too but should we allow it?

It goes along those kind of lines where the under the table economy lines up or conflicts with the organized regulated economy.

The question I would look at is do people really suffer more or benefit more from it?

I would tend to think illegal activity whether it is through illegal migration or criminal enterprise is a little bit too anarchist and far more dangerous then I would see in an economy steered through sensible regulation and responsible organization would be.

As much as I love the anarchy side of things myself, there is still the overall general welfare of a country citizens to keep in mind.

I would not like to see this country turned into an Ecuador, Venezuela , or Mexico no more than I would like to see it turn into a China or Russia conversely by an uncontrollable influx of unvetted foreigners.

But the invasion of rapists and thieves, and the soaring crime rates that trump goes on about is a political fiction; a manufactured threat.

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Fact-Checking Trump’s Speech on Crime and Immigrants

The former president mischaracterized the data when speaking at the Conservative Political Action Conference.

www.brennancenter.org

 

[Twilight Hue]

But the invasion of rapists and thieves, and the soaring crime rates that trump goes on about is a political fiction; a manufactured threat.

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Browse stories on the 2024 presidential election, including updates on the latest polls, news about Democrat and Republican candidates and what to expect in November.

www.nbcnews.com

Fact-Checking Trump’s Speech on Crime and Immigrants

The former president mischaracterized the data when speaking at the Conservative Political Action Conference.

www.brennancenter.org

No. There are too many instances of illegals committing crimes that cannot be ignored.

 

[Copernicus]

Yes, he was talking about the immigrant gangs and criminals.

Yes, like the community of legal immigrants who were invited to settle in Springfield. Those are the ones that he still accuses of eating people's pets.

Trump says he will remove TPS and deport Haitian migrants in Springfield​

What will the military or Homeland Security do if the Commander in Chief orders them to round up the immigrants, detain them, and then begin shipping them back to Haiti? After all, they are an immigrant gang of criminals, right?

 

[Valjean]

No. There are too many instances of illegals committing crimes that cannot be ignored.

Native citizens have higher crime rates.

Where are you getting your news? Check the numbers.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Native citizens have higher crime rates.
Where are you getting your news? Check the numbers.

Yeah we have our own problems, so keeping illegals out will help keep it down won't it?

 

[Valjean]

Yes, like the community of legal immigrants who were invited to settle in Springfield. Those are the ones that he still accuses of eating people's pets.

Trump says he will remove TPS and deport Haitian migrants in Springfield​

What will the military or Homeland Security do if the Commander in Chief orders them to round up the immigrants, detain them, and then begin shipping them back to Haiti? After all, they are an immigrant gang of criminals, right?

What did they do when he ordered the imprisonment of families, separated children from their mothers, then lost track of them? The military and Homeland security trend right-wing.

As you say, it's not theives, rapists and violent gangs that are coming over the borders -- though there are always a few criminals in any large group.
It's the US that sends gang members and thieves over borders to cause chaos. Many of the immigrants entering the US are fleeing the crime and chaos caused by our policies.

US export? Central America's gang problem began in Los Angeles

By 2011, El Salvador had an estimated 28,000 gang members, almost half of whom were in prison. Many were deported from the US in the late 1990s, bringing US-based gang activity back home with them.

www.csmonitor.com

 

[Valjean]

Yeah we have our own problems, so keeping illegals out will help keep it down won't it?

No. It will increase crime rates.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Most of the media is an arm of the dem party. They don't tell the truth, I agree with him. How many stories did they say were false and were true like the Hunter Laptop story or reported as true that were false such as the Russian collusion and dossier. Recently 60 minutes doctored Kamala's answers, you can see the two answers. They are not even trying to hide their bias anymore.

Telling people you cannot question the media is dangerous because the alternative is believing everything they tell you no matter what. Telling people you cannot question an election is dangerous because you will never catch anyone cheating.

One day, I hope, you'll tell me exactly what this "Hunter Laptop" story is really about, and how it affects the government, and even more importantly, how it affects this Trump/Harris race. I have asked, but so far, all I know is it's a phrase you use as if it has a meaning of its own.

You are, as has been pointed out, completely wrong in claiming that "most of the media is an arm of the dem party." Would you like to be presented with the "truths" told by Fox, which netted them $787.5 million in fines. How much have the "far left" media been fined for their lies? At some point, after all, your accusations should stand or fall on the basis of factual evidence.

This business of "factual evidence" also applies to Trump's criticism of the 60 Minutes interview. It should be known to you (it is to everybody else) that television always edits. The answer in question, in fact was shown in full but not in the same program. The first part, in a teaser on "Face the Nation," and the second part in the actual 60 Minutes interview. So the station did you try to hide any part of the answer, but editing for time on both shows wound up making the answer disjointed.

But Trump, and you, don't bother actually discussing a) what the question was, b) what the answer was (in full and in part), and c) how one edit or the other actually did anything to make Harris "look better." You just go full-on accuse without details, and hope it sticks. Like throwing **** at the wall, frankly.

Trump's complaints about '60 Minutes' put a spotlight on editing at the nation's top newsmagazine

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[fantome profane]

Most of the media is an arm of the dem party. They don't tell the truth, I agree with him.

Can you imagine an alternate history where people didn't trust the media back in 1972 when Woodward and Bernstein broke the story on Watergate? If they just called those guys "an arm of the dem party". Lucky that didn't happen.

But in 2024 when that same Woodward reports on Donald Trump, you just reject him out of hand.

It is good to be a little skeptical, but if you just ignore all the reporting you don't like, democracy can die in the bright light of day, if everyone has their eyes closed.

 

[Twilight Hue]

No. It will increase crime rates.

No it will help prevent crimes that shouldn't even had happened in the first place.

 

[Valjean]

No it will help prevent crimes that shouldn't even had happened in the first place.

As opposed to the crimes that should have happened?

The economic turmoil it would cause will increase crime rates.
Did you not read the links in post #46?
"New York City, for example, has absorbed more than 150,000 migrants since the spring of 2022. Violent crime did not increase during that time. Moreover, research conducted before the pandemic suggests that undocumented immigrants are not a major source of crime, contrary to Trump’s claim."

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Did you not read the links in post #46?

You expect him to read something before responding to it? That's optimism!

 

[Twilight Hue]

As opposed to the crimes that should have happened?

The economic turmoil it would cause will increase crime rates.
Did you not read the links in post #46?
"New York City, for example, has absorbed more than 150,000 migrants since the spring of 2022. Violent crime did not increase during that time. Moreover, research conducted before the pandemic suggests that undocumented immigrants are not a major source of crime, contrary to Trump’s claim."

Illegal or legal migrants? See the difference?

 

[fantome profane]

Illegal or legal migrants? See the difference?

Like the legal migrants who were invited to Springfield. I know the difference. I am not sure if you know the difference. But I am sure that neither Trump or Vance know or care about the difference.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Like the legal migrants who were invited to Springfield. I know the difference. I am not sure if you know the difference. But I am sure that neither Trump or Vance know or care about the difference.

It makes me wonder how these legal immigrants are being distributed around the US. Does it proceed a town hall in each perspective community to see if they want all these people into their area at once , or is it the government that does all the inviting for the residents weither they like it or not?