Trump Says He Will Invoke the Alien and Sedition Act of 1798

[Copernicus]

Only this generation wants to twist it to make it sound all wrong , even though it was there for 225 years without any objection or complaint ever made about it.

This is utterly false. The Alien and Sedition Acts were originally a set of 4 laws that were passed over the heated opposition of the minority Republican-Democratic Party. The Sedition Act portion, which made it illegal to criticize the federal government, only passed Congress by 3 votes--44 to 41. It was criticized as a violation of the 1st Amendment, and parts of it expired or were repealed later. Originally, the reason for passage was alarm among pro-British Federalists that the violent radicalism of the French Revolution would take hold in the US. The Republican-Democrats tended to be pro-French and more open to trusting immigrants, especially French ones.

See Wikipedia's

Alien and Sedition Acts​

and History.com's

Alien and Sedition Acts​

 

[Twilight Hue]

This is utterly false. The Alien and Sedition Acts were originally a set of 4 laws that were passed over the heated opposition of the minority Republican-Democratic Party. The Sedition Act portion, which made it illegal to criticize the federal government, only passed Congress by 3 votes--44 to 41. It was criticized as a violation of the 1st Amendment, and parts of it expired or were repealed later. Originally, the reason for passage was alarm among pro-British Federalists that the violent radicalism of the French Revolution would take hold in the US. The Republican-Democrats tended to be pro-French and more open to trusting immigrants, especially French ones.

See Wikipedia's

Alien and Sedition Acts​

and History.com's

Alien and Sedition Acts​

I haven't seen it abolished. That says volumes more.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Any evidence that it's true?

Two can play your game here.

You do not seem to understand the burden of proof and who holds it.

 

[Twilight Hue]

You do not seem to understand the burden of proof and who holds it.

You don't seem to understand the burden of proof is the one posting statistics and proving its true in the first place.

I can easily clean people fudge things because it's a proven fact equally.

 

[Copernicus]

I haven't seen it abolished. That says volumes more.

Not really. There are a lot of bad laws on the books that have never been abolished. Parts of it were repealed, when the need was more obvious. FDR's use of it to inter Japanese Americans in concentration camps was the last abuse of the law. Trump now proposes to use it as a means of going after his political opponents.

In any case, your earlier claim that it was "without any objection or complaint ever made about it" is utterly false. It was controversial from the very start.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You don't seem to understand the burden of proof is the one posting statistics and proving its true in the first place.

I can easily clean people fudge things because it's a proven fact equally.

Pure failure. Projection and other nonsense.

When others bring claims about Trump we can support it with valid sites. You have to go to far right wacko sites for you claims. For my lost one I even used a conservative site. Even if Trump somehow wins I doubt if he will be President. At his current rate of decline he will not make it even to inauguration day.

 

[Copernicus]

Pure failure. Projection and other nonsense.

When others bring claims about Trump we can support it with valid sites. You have to go to far right wacko sites for you claims. For my lost one I even used a conservative site. Even if Trump somehow wins I doubt if he will be President. At his current rate of decline he will not make it even to inauguration day.

He is visibly getting worse and worse. I often wonder what goes on in the minds of his supporters who actually watch and listen to him lately. What do they tell themselves to continue clinging to someone who behaves so bizarrely and erratically? I get the hatred and demonization of Harris. That kind of thing has been going on for quite some time now, and it is pretty typical partisan hyperbole. Democrats can behave in the same way--as if politics were just a team sport where people sometimes cheat to give their team an advantage. But Donald Trump is so clearly off his rocker. Today he ended up talking about Arnold Palmer's genitalia. And that is just today's little bit of chaos. How is that acceptable behavior in a presidential candidate? Is this the kind of person they want to appoint to run the most powerful and complex government in the world?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Pure failure. Projection and other nonsense.

When others bring claims about Trump we can support it with valid sites. You have to go to far right wacko sites for you claims. For my lost one I even used a conservative site. Even if Trump somehow wins I doubt if he will be President. At his current rate of decline he will not make it even to inauguration day.

That's just your opinion but it's not the reality.

 

[Pogo]

He is visibly getting worse and worse. I often wonder what goes on in the minds of his supporters who actually watch and listen to him lately. What do they tell themselves to continue clinging to someone who behaves so bizarrely and erratically? I get the hatred and demonization of Harris. That kind of thing has been going on for quite some time now, and it is pretty typical partisan hyperbole. Democrats can behave in the same way--as if politics were just a team sport where people sometimes cheat to give their team an advantage. But Donald Trump is so clearly off his rocker. Today he ended up talking about Arnold Palmer's genitalia. And that is just today's little bit of chaos. How is that acceptable behavior in a presidential candidate? Is this the kind of person they want to appoint to run the most powerful and complex government in the world?

He is playing to the emotion of his fan base and hoping they will keep their cheering up long enough. It is the mob rally and if he can just get them to light the torches, it will be too late for his base to back out and maybe the neighbors will still join.

 

[Subduction Zone]

He is visibly getting worse and worse. I often wonder what goes on in the minds of his supporters who actually watch and listen to him lately. What do they tell themselves to continue clinging to someone who behaves so bizarrely and erratically? I get the hatred and demonization of Harris. That kind of thing has been going on for quite some time now, and it is pretty typical partisan hyperbole. Democrats can behave in the same way--as if politics were just a team sport where people sometimes cheat to give their team an advantage. But Donald Trump is so clearly off his rocker. Today he ended up talking about Arnold Palmer's genitalia. And that is just today's little bit of chaos. How is that acceptable behavior in a presidential candidate? Is this the kind of person they want to appoint to run the most powerful and complex government in the world?

I have been canvassing for the Democratic Party for the last three weekends. Yesterday I talked to one Trump supporter that believed all of the Republican lies, even though she was far from wealthy. If anything she will be worse off but she believed the claim that immigrants are getting all sorts of benefits that are not given to Americans. Then I ran into another woman that was the opposite. A strong Democratic supporter that believed that the shooting Trump was a setup. I really did not have the time to argue with either one very much.

As to canvassing I have been debating here so much that I figured that I should put my money where my mouth is so to speak and try to be part of the solution.

 

[Argentbear]

Any evidence that it's true?

Two can play your game here.

Sure there is and you know it
multiple studies from the National Institute of Justice
US Customs and Boarder protection
the FBI
over 17,000 independent studies


Now...I know you won't be honest enough to answer but...
Any Evidence to back up your claim that the information was fudged or misquoted?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Sure there is and you know it
multiple studies from the National Institute of Justice
US Customs and Boarder protection
the FBI
over 17,000 independent studies


Now...I know you won't be honest enough to answer but...
Any Evidence to back up your claim that the information was fudged or misquoted?

Any evidence the information was true at the start? All you have is studies. Not conclusions.

 

[Valjean]

This is utterly false. The Alien and Sedition Acts were originally a set of 4 laws that were passed over the heated opposition of the minority Republican-Democratic Party. The Sedition Act portion, which made it illegal to criticize the federal government, only passed Congress by 3 votes--44 to 41. It was criticized as a violation of the 1st Amendment, and parts of it expired or were repealed later. Originally, the reason for passage was alarm among pro-British Federalists that the violent radicalism of the French Revolution would take hold in the US. The Republican-Democrats tended to be pro-French and more open to trusting immigrants, especially French ones.

See Wikipedia's

Alien and Sedition Acts​

and History.com's

Alien and Sedition Acts​

Frightened, insecure people will often throw their ideals and principles to the wind, uncritically support strong-men, and impulsively enact quick, simple, direct remedies.

 

[Argentbear]

Any evidence the information was true at the start? All you have is studies. Not conclusions.

So absolutely no evidence to back up your claim that the information was fudged or misquoted. Thank you for finally admitting the truth

 

[Twilight Hue]

So absolutely no evidence to back up your claim that the information was fudged or misquoted. Thank you for finally admitting the truth

Yea. You stay with that.

 

[Argentbear]

Yea. You stay with that.

the truth is always a good thing to stick with

 

[SkepticThinker]

Here is the exchange

Bartiromo: What are you expecting? Joe Biden said he doesn’t think it’s going to be a peaceful Election Day.

Trump: Well, he doesn’t have any idea what’s happening — in all fairness. He spends most of his day sleeping. I think the bigger problem is the enemy from within, not even the people that have come in — and destroying our country and, by the way, totally destroying our country. The towns and villages, they’re being inundated. But I don’t think they have the problem in terms of Election Day. I think the bigger problem are the people from within. We have some very bad people. We have some sick people, radical left lunatics. And I think. And it should be very easily handled by, if necessary, by National Guard or if really necessary by the military, because they can’t let that happen.

Bartiromo: You told me back in February that you were going to rent out Madison Square Garden for a rally. Yeah. And now you’re going to do it at the end of October.

Trump: Not only Madison Square Garden, we’re taking 4 or 5 arenas. We fill them up very fast. As you know, we took where the Islanders play in Long Island.

What Exactly Did Trump Say About Adam Schiff and Using the Military On ‘The Enemy Within’?

Trump’s interview with Maria Bartiromo grabbed headlines throughout the week as Trump was blasted for using the phrase “enemy within”

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He is talk here about any left lunatics that may cause violence if Trump is elected. That is clear from this conversation.

This is pure projection, on Trump's part.

The only group of people who have been violent in regards to election results were not "radical left lunatics." Rather, they were MAGA.

He's obviously saying that "radical left lunatics" are "the enemy within."

 

[SkepticThinker]

Not when you now have Venezuelan gangs taking over apartments, people being raped and murdered by illegals, police being kicked and punched by illegals, and of course illegals giving double birds to the public.

Of course that is just mere scare tactics to you.

Boy, oh boy, you really bought into Trump's scare mongering tactics, hook, line and sinker.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I would say people like to fudge their figures.

At the end of the day , it's human nature to commit crimes , so I would say its on par if not more, considering the sheer chaos and corruption that goes on in South America.

I find that hard to believe they would suddenly "change their stripes" so to say just because they are up here now in North America.

In other words, you don't believe the numbers, because you've got your heart set on believing something else.

Also, if you're so concerned about immigrants committing crimes, why do you want to elect a convicted criminal to the Presidential office?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Nope. We call out crime no matter who commits it. It is the left that defunds police, lowers sentences for minorities, does not vet immigrants, cares nothing about minorities killing each other etc. they are just votes to you guys and if they don’t vote for you, you call them names. Like you are not really black (Biden) or you hate women (Obama).

Not when Trump commits crimes though.
You want him to be hold the highest office of the land.

Do go on about "the Left" though.