Trump Slams His Attorneys Then Spends 45 Minutes Defaming E. Jean Carrol AGAIN, and Her Witnesses.

[We Never Know]

What!? Are you trying to blame the victim? Are you serious?

Saying she probably did more than rubbing g elbows is not blaming her.

Too bad that you did not hear that deposition. He thought that she was Marla. There a sound of actual sadness in his voice when he misidentified Carroll as his wife. It also demonstrated that without a doubt the he lied when he said "she is not my type". She was exactly his type. She was the type that he would have married. That was why that was such damning testimony when it came to Trup

He isn't mentally competent right? So what does it matter who he confused who with.

Perhaps, but we also know that some powerful men would not take "no" for an answer, or in the case of Bill Cosby he would not even give them the chance to say no. If you want to claim that Carroll was the sort that would use her body even that would not excuse Trump's attempted and possible successful rape. When one woman makes a claim against a man then we need more evidence. When multiple women make verry similar claims then they become rather believable. And then there is Trump's own admissions that he would use his power and privilege to spy on underaged girls as they were changing clothes.

There is no perhaps. It happens.

 

[We Never Know]

Irrelevant. There are women raped every day, many who never report it due to shame and the feeling that the legal system is against them.

But it is relevant on the timing

Look at your posts, you actually seem sympathetic to rapists,

Not sympathetic, more of I have doubts

and show no concern about their victims. It makes me wonder about you. Why would a guy sound sympathetic to rapists?

Would a woman whose career has ran its course lie about a rich man?
There are $80 million reasons why.

 

[We Never Know]

Irrelevant. There are women raped every day, many who never report it due to shame and the feeling that the legal system is against them. Look at your posts, you actually seem sympathetic to rapists, and show no concern about their victims. It makes me wonder about you. Why would a guy sound sympathetic to rapists?

Let me ask you a question...remove all bias you have for Trump and be honest. I know you can be honest.

If it had been your brother that she claimed raped her 30 years ago and the only evidence was she said she said and one picture of your brother and her 10 years prior to said rape ..

Would you accept it all with no doubts?

I really hope you will answer honestly but I have my doubts.

 

[F1fan]

But it is relevant on the timing

So when is the right timing to sue a rich man for rape?

Not sympathetic, more of I have doubts

Which is part of the reason so many women don't report being raped.

Would a woman whose career has ran its course lie about a rich man?
There are $80 million reasons why.

Nice bias you are showing here.

 

[We Never Know]

So when is the right timing to sue a rich man for rape?

Which is part of the reason so many women don't report being raped.

Nice bias you are showing here.

This is pointless.
Even if Carroll came forward and said she lied you would still believe Trump sexually assaulted her.
You would claim Trump manipulated her in some way to get her to change her story.
I say that because that's how deep your hate and bias for Trump goes.

Trump was found liable. That's a fact.
Did he actually do it? Only her and him know. No one else knows. That's fact.
Do I have doubts. Yes. That's fact.

 

[F1fan]

Let me ask you a question...remove all bias you have for Trump and be honest. I know you can be honest.

What bias do I have for Trump? I have none, for or against him. He is what he is, and I have no need to color my impression. He is truly a mentally disturbed person that is unfit for office. There is no way to make a case for why he is fit to be president.

If it had been your brother that she claimed raped her 30 years ago and the only evidence was she said she said and one picture of your brother and her 10 years prior to said rape ..

Guilt is a matter of evidence, and you are trying to create an emotional dilemma for me. I look at the evidence. If my brother raped a woman then he needs to face accountability.

Would you accept it all with no doubts?

There is always doubt. Guilt is judged as reasonable according to the evidence. If the evidence is weak then there has to be reasonable doubt.

Is it possible OJ didn't kill his ex wife and Ron Goldman? Yes since we can't be 100% certain. But the evidence is very strong against him.

I really hope you will answer honestly but I have my doubts.

You ask me to give up bias when you can't yourself. Remember, you are asking me to be honest, not to agree with you.

 

[F1fan]

This is pointless.
Even if Carroll came forward and said she lied you would still believe Trump sexually assaulted her.

It's pointless when you start speaking for me. Do I need to be here when you put words in my mouth? Are you getting upset because I'm not agreeing with you?

You would claim Trump manipulated her in some way to get her to change her story.
I say that because that's how deep your hate and bias for Trump goes.

Why are you so upset?

Trump was found liable. That's a fact.
Did he actually do it? Only her and him know. No one else knows. That's fact.
Do I have doubts. Yes. That's fact.

Trump has bad character. Carroll is well respected. She told a friend about the assault soon after it hapvened. She avoided reporting it since Trump was powerful and many women fear being shamed, as your posts reveal.

That you have doubts makes me question you, and I see you offer no reason why anyone should doubt her testimony.

 

[We Never Know]

What bias do I have for Trump? I have none, for or against him. He is what he is, and I have no need to color my impression. He is truly a mentally disturbed person that is unfit for office. There is no way to make a case for why he is fit to be president.

Guilt is a matter of evidence, and you are trying to create an emotional dilemma for me. I look at the evidence. If my brother raped a woman then he needs to face accountability.

There is always doubt. Guilt is judged as reasonable according to the evidence. If the evidence is weak then there has to be reasonable doubt.

Is it possible OJ didn't kill his ex wife and Ron Goldman? Yes since we can't be 100% certain. But the evidence is very strong against him.

You ask me to give up bias when you can't yourself. Remember, you are asking me to be honest, not to agree with you.

You would accept your brother sexual assaulted a woman based on she said she said and a picture?
I have my doubts.

The biggest difference in this situation between your and I.

You scream to the high heavens Trump did it and he is guilty.

I say I have my doubts.

If It had been Biden(I use Biden because using Harris is pontless)you would scream to the high heavens Biden didn't do it and its BS

I would say I have my doubts.

My stance based on what I have read/heard wouldn't change.

 

[We Never Know]

It's pointless when you start speaking for me. Do I need to be here when you put words in my mouth? Are you getting upset because I'm not agreeing with you?

I don't have to put words in your mouth. All one has to do is study your posts and get a very good idea of your stance.

Why are you so upset?

Lol. I actually think this is comical

Trump has bad character.

Bad character doesnt mean one is a sexual predator.

Carroll is well respected.

Second law suit toward a rich man for the same charge. Just a coincidence

She told a friend about the assault soon after it hapvened. She avoided reporting it since Trump was powerful and many women fear being shamed, as your posts reveal.

Trump was more powerful as president. Which even puts the case more in the public eye.

That you have doubts makes me question you, and I see you offer no reason why anyone should doubt her testimony.

Second law suit toward a rich man for the same charge. Just a coincidence.

 

[We Never Know]

It's pointless when you start speaking for me. Do I need to be here when you put words in my mouth? Are you getting upset because I'm not agreeing with you?

Why are you so upset?

Trump has bad character. Carroll is well respected. She told a friend about the assault soon after it hapvened. She avoided reporting it since Trump was powerful and many women fear being shamed, as your posts reveal.

That you have doubts makes me question you, and I see you offer no reason why anyone should doubt her testimony.

You are so afraid to speak the truth.
You claim you don't want to dilute women's rights by calling "women's reproductive rights" "people's reproductive rights".

But when told others on the left think they should be called "people's reproductive rights" you go mum.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Saying she probably did more than rubbing g elbows is not blaming her.

It is a vile and unsupported accusation.

He isn't mentally competent right? So what does it matter who he confused who with.

You cannot be that slow. Mentally incompetent or not it refutes his "'not my type" claim.

There is no perhaps. It happens.

That does not help you. Seriously this is showing a major character flaw of yours.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Do you ever notice many of these law suits against wealthy men happen when the women are old(er), their career is declining, or over, etc.
Not hardly any of them happen when the women are young and their career is going good or even peaking.

Why do you think that is?

They did not do it at that time because we used to blame the victim. And men would do this at the peak of their power. There were far too many like you around back then for the women to feel safe when making the truth known. Now we are just a little bit wiser, and some of the accused have lost a lot of their former power. That made it possible for women to come out and tell the truth of how they were abused.

 

[F1fan]

Bad character doesnt mean one is a sexual predator.

Sexual predators are a subset of those with bad character. There are no sexual predators with good character. This is why integrity and character are important to create and maintain. Trump has exceptionally poor character given his history of fraud, corruption, racism, and even sexual assault accusations.

Second law suit toward a rich man for the same charge. Just a coincidence

There is no rational basis to doubt her accounts.

Trump was more powerful as president. Which even puts the case more in the public eye.

So? The guy has been a public figure for decades, and justice is supposed to be blind to priviledge. Is there any reason to trust Trump and not Carroll? Look how Trump is taking advantage of his priviledge to try to avoid criminal and civil accountability.

Second law suit toward a rich man for the same charge. Just a coincidence.

What else should she do if assaulted by two different rich men? Not seek justice just because there's a segment of society who are biased towards rapists and against victims?

 

[Estro Felino]

This is why the character of a person is important. When a person who has a reputation of false claims, and poor judgment, they won;t be taken seriously. Those who peddle in conspiracy theories will have low credibility.

In the case of E Jean Carroll her reputation and character are exceptional, while Trump's is very, very low. Let's note that Trump lacks good judgment, as he keeps defaming his victim.

Whereas you guys keep pleading the fifth and won't answer this simple question:
Why won't she tell the day of the month where the events took place?

 

[Estro Felino]

If you were familiar with the trial she presented more than "her word against his". That is why she won. One thing that he was told that he could not do was to slander her. She has not said anything about Trump to speak of, expect to point out how he has continued to slander her after losing both the first trial, and the second one. If he had paid and shut up the first time around there would not have been a second and much more expensive trial for him. There could be a third and even more expensive trail against Trump due this latest round of slander. Trump did not even have to admit that he was wrong. He merely had to pay a rather small amount for him and keep his mouth shut. But he is such a fool that he cannot help himself.

I am happy for her...that she won.
I would like to understand why I am expected to believe her, by you guys.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Realistically and move forward, or just end it all.

I now have negative respect for you. Good job!

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Even if Carroll came forward and said she lied you would still believe Trump sexually assaulted her.
You would claim Trump manipulated her in some way to get her to change her story.

Mind reader, are we?

 

[We Never Know]

Mind reader, are we?

You know it as well. You want a cookie?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I am happy for her...that she won.
I would like to understand why I am expected to believe her, by you guys.

That has been explained to you many times over. And not just by me. That a[[ears to make it a "you" problem.

 

[Estro Felino]

That has been explained to you many times over. And not just by me. That a[[ears to make it a "you" problem.

Explain it to me.
I am free not to believe her.