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Trump Slams His Attorneys Then Spends 45 Minutes Defaming E. Jean Carrol AGAIN, and Her Witnesses.

It Aint Necessarily So

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Seems as though he is gonna need an even bigger hit to his purse...
I saw a meme after the second Carroll judgement that said she grabbed him by the pursey.
Do you know the expression "it's her word against his"?
The jury believed her. That's what matters.
Does that mean I am supposed to believe her?
It doesn't matter what anybody but the jury (and maybe the trial and appellate judges) believes.
Trump has the right to speak his mind in this country weather one wants to believe it or not.
Nobody can stop him, but he can be made to pay a price for some of it. He'll probably have to pay Carroll, and he may well pay for some of the things he said during the porn star hush money coverup trial, and I don't mean the measly $10,000 in fines Judge Merchan imposed for the gag order violations.

That combined with Trump's stochastic terrorism directed at the judge and his family may land him in prison before the second criminal trial begins if they ever get around to sentencing him.
they have a bias target that they absolutely hate.
Yes, many people do hate him, but it's his attorney's job to make sure than none appear in his jury, and there is no evidence that the jury wasn't fair and impartial.

There are a few good reasons to not have people hate you. They might key your car or kill your dog. Trump had been largely sheltered from the consequences of that hatred until he entered politics (one can only imagine how many people hate him for stiffing them and what property damage the did to him for revenge, but that wouldn't matter to him).

Not anymore. Now he has to worry about judges, juries, prominent non-MAGA Republicans like the Cheneys and The Lincoln Project, and voters that hate him.
There are such things as bias courts you know.
What's a bias court? Did you mean biased judges and juries like those all white Southern juries that convicted Black defendants for being Black? That can happen, but in general, the risk is of a single biased juror, like a MAGA getting past voir dire and hanging an otherwise unanimous jury.
Damning my ***. Lol. Nobody has a single shread of evidence to show for it.
Yet the jury was convinced anyway - unanimously.

You don't seem to understand how Trump's mouth hurts him. He is known as a liar (fact checking confirms that) and a sexual predator (his words about grabbing women by the genital and his incursions into the dressing room of young female beauty contest contestants probably hurt him and his credibility in this case)
Trump is mentally poor and unstable. Right?
No argument here, and that's just the beginning. He's long been an antisocial malignant narcissist and pathological liar. Now, he's rapidly succumbing to dementia and suffering loss of impulse control as we see in this case, which is an incredibly dangerous combination for him.
Some women do all they can to get powerful men to help their career, popularity, what they want, etc. and or including sleeping with them.
And some men rape women. The jury thought that it was the latter.
Would a woman whose career has ran its course lie about a rich man? There are $80 million reasons why.
If Trump was lied about and falsely convicted, he has nobody to blame but himself for making the claim credible.
If it had been your brother that she claimed raped her 30 years ago and the only evidence was she said she said and one picture of your brother and her 10 years prior to said rape .. Would you accept it all with no doubts?
Probably not, but did his brother brag about sexual predation? There's the problem with making comments like that. It's why you never say even in jest that you want somebody dead. Somebody else who wants them dead as well might overhear it and kill who you said aloud you wanted dead.
Even if Carroll came forward and said she lied you would still believe Trump sexually assaulted her.
No. If she said she lied, I'd believer her unless there was evidence that she was coerced to say it. You don't understand how people like me make judgments. It's not the bigoted, biased way that you and others suggest. There are people who care about the truth.
Should Trump be able to sue for the Russian Collusion slander?
He is able if he can find an attorney to file such a suit, but I doubt that he wants that matter to be subjected to a microscopic examination. He escaped accountability due to a sympathetic special prosecutor, his boss, and a sympathetic Attorney General. He doesn't have that any more..
But it was stage to be election interference, which it is why it under appeal.
The only election interference comes from Republicans, and Trump and many others have been indicated for it in federal courts and multiple state level courts. There has been no known election interference in the 2024 election to date. Trump is not the election; he's just a candidate, which gives him no immunity to prosecution.
 

Pogo

Well-Known Member
At a police station too?
Yes, policemen are all too often predators. Maybe you should look up the experiences of the women who work in police stations. Are you really that ignorant of the experiences of women in the workplace especially in male dominated authoritarian workplaces?
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Does than also apply to fake news? Should Trump be able to sue for the Russian Collusion slander? The slandered tries to make him look like a traitor and harm his livelihood. I was debunked. It was done more than once in a very public arena by every fake news station.
The case with E Jean Carrol is not about rape or assault since those two charges were already settled in previous cases. It was about her claiming slander, for slandering Trump about rape and assault, and not getting the result she wanted in Court. By her not winning, she thinks looks bad and she is blaming Trump for making her look bad, by her original slander not sticking in court. It is a female brain thing that only a Liberal understands. It went over in NY.

This part three E Jean Carrol, only came to trial because Trump decided to run again. They could have done it three years ago. But it was stage to be election interference, which it is why it under appeal. It will not damage Trump since it smells like DNC law fare. If they had done it sooner they may have got away with it.
Trump could have just shut his mouth or not assaulted her in the first place, but we all know that's too hard for him.
He made his bed. Now he gets to lie in it.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
I bet she rubbed more than elbows.


And .. Trump is mentally poor and unstable. Right?

Some women do all they can to get powerful men to help their career, popularity, what they want, etc. and or including sleeping with them.
Like whom?
And doesn't that say more about these "men" than it does about women? That anyone would even be expected to sleep around to gain power to begin with?
Or maybe you're just bringing up an old tired misogynistic trope for some reason.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Do you ever notice many of these law suits against wealthy men happen when the women are old(er), their career is declining, or over, etc.
Not hardly any of them happen when the women are young and their career is going good or even peaking.

Why do you think that is?
You mean like, when the women finally have some amount of power and the platform to speak out?
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
You would accept your brother sexual assaulted a woman based on she said she said and a picture?
I have my doubts.
Was your brother caught on tape bragging about doing the very thing he was being accused of?
Did your brother have 25+ other accusers?
Was your brother charged and provided with a fair trial in which evidence was presented against him and he was free to defend himself?
The biggest difference in this situation between your and I.

You scream to the high heavens Trump did it and he is guilty.
Yes, because a judge and two juries found him guilty after examining the evidence.

We're not just claiming Trump is guilty based on our fantasies or something. Sheesh.
I say I have my doubts.

If It had been Biden(I use Biden because using Harris is pontless)you would scream to the high heavens Biden didn't do it and its BS

I would say I have my doubts.

My stance based on what I have read/heard wouldn't change.
You should probably stop trying to tell other people how they think and feel.
You seem very worked up.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
You suggested that rape victims should kill themselves if they don't behave in a way that you think they should (which you didn't bother explaining). Your POV has nothing at all to do with "reality" and everything to do with forgoing both reason and compassion for the sake of blind partisan loyalty. You've sacrificed your own humanity upon the MAGA altar.
Wish I could have winner fruballed this twice.
Some comments in this thread are appalling.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
#MeToo was supposed to teach us that. Some people didn't get the memo, I guess.
I am not a woman. But I had a mother (as hard as that is to believe) I have a sister and nieces. For some odd reason I do not think that it is okay for random rich men to rape them. I guess that is just my TDS acting up again.

I seriously wonder about men that blindly support Trump. They appear to have all of the stereotypes of neckbeards and incels.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Having doubts doesn't make any one a rape apologist.

Unless you are 100% sure, which you can't be unless you were there, you have to have some doubt too. But your hate and bias makes you think you are 100%.
No, of course not.

It's your use of antiquated misogynist victim blaming tactics that are the problem here.
Next thing I'm waiting for you to ask us is what was she wearing. :rolleyes:
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Even in the largest department store...there will always be shop assistants monitoring all customers, and to ensure women's safety, they would never allow men to enter the same dressing room as a woman.
;)
So...I have many many doubts...
This isn't how department stores work. Also, there aren't cameras in changing rooms. That's illegal.

Your fantasy where there are workers everyone watching every move everyone makes is just that ... a fantasy.
 
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