Trump "Tearing U.S. Apart"?

[Curious George]

Got your opinion, what do soldiers want?

What os my opinion?

 

[Akivah]

I think it's important to identify and address the cultural attitudes that would lead someone to look at blatant buffoon like Trump and actually think "This is the man who should lead the most powerful nation on earth."

Less than the number who looked at a corrupt weasel like Clinton and actually think "This is the woman who should lead the most powerful nation on earth."

 

[idav]

What os my opinion?

What you posted, it was already an issue way before, but are you just going to ignore the numbers I gave.

 

[Father Heathen]

Less than the number who looked at a corrupt weasel like Clinton and actually think "This is the woman who should lead the most powerful nation on earth."

I didn't vote for Clinton, but I would still rather have the less corrupt and less incompetent option, i.e. the "lesser evil".
I don't think Clinton would have shat upon people's rights, freedoms, and equality - as well as upon science - to the degree that Trump has.

 

[Curious George]

What you posted, it was already an issue way before, but are you just going to ignore the numbers I gave.

How are the numbers relevant to whether trump is "tearing apart" the U.S.? If there is an argument to be made about Trump tearing apart the u.s. it is not based on doing something unpopular.

 

[idav]

How are the numbers relevant to whether trump is "tearing apart" the U.S.? If there is an argument to be made about Trump tearing apart the u.s. it is not based on doing something unpopular.

It's based on getting people to fight more against each other than before. People like never before have been coming out of the woodwork to hate. He is making it unsafe to be any sort of minority and it's even making the GOP do in-fighting. What I disagreed with before was about there being a "problem". Trump is making it a problem that didn't exist and the military had it handled.

 

[Revoltingest]

It does not help if I expect people to lack basic modicums of criteria, though.

People will greatly disagree.
Get used to it, or suffer stress.

 

[Revoltingest]

That's the same answer you gave me when I asked you a few months back how a seemingly decent and intelligent person like you could conclude that Hillary was a worse choice than Trump, when it was clear to you that I could not have seen what you posted last year given my March 1, 2017 registry onto RF.

Whatever your reasons might have been or still are now, they could easily be summarized in a single post. But like here again, you declined to do so then.

So, I filled in the blanks myself with what seemed to most likely be the case - you really didn't want to try to defend that choice now.

I gave my reasons over & over before the election.
You wanna relive that?
Then search out threads in the N Americastanian Politics forum.
I've no desire to rehash those old tedious elaborations & arguments.
If I acquiesced to one of you, then the floodgates would open for that & other ancient thoroughly beaten horses.

 

[Revoltingest]

Thanks for that.

Their works should be known.
I'd already forgotten about the sub guy, so I appreciate regular reminders on great individuals.

 

[Revoltingest]

Anymore, I'm realizing that attitude is holding me back, hindering my happiness, and acting a bit paranoid. I used to think it was a good mindset, but it has me aiming too low, and being comfortable with it.

Aim high when it's realistic.
Aim low the rest of the time.

 

[Curious George]

It's based on getting people to fight more against each other than before. People like never before have been coming out of the woodwork to hate. He is making it unsafe to be any sort of minority and it's even making the GOP do in-fighting. What I disagreed with before was about there being a "problem". Trump is making it a problem that didn't exist and the military had it handled.

Except if there is a divide in the U.S. regarding individuals who are trans gendered it is not over whether or not they can serve, even your numbers show this. The divide concerning trans is what degree of respect should their gender construct be afforded.

Unfortunately, the fight had started. I do not think Trump made that tear. I think people did. We created the gender binary society in which we live, not Trump.

That Trump is reinforcing one more layer of discrimination hardly justifies the title one that tore apart. It was already torn. It was a necessary tear if we are going to make progress and be more accepting and accommodating.

Now whether Trump is emboldening those who were already hateful is another story. My point is, all of these problems were there. They existed. People pointed to them and others said "nah." These problems are not spontaneous. People really did hate trans people before trump, people really did hate others because of their race before Trump, people really did hate gays, and immigtants, and muslims, before Trump. There really was systemic prejudices and discrimination before Trump, people really did not trust politicians before Trump. The tears were there. There is little Trump is original enough to tear himself.

And the tears were there because we made them and we did not fix them. Consequently, Trump was able to ride hos way into office playing on this hatred.

 

[Notanumber]

Need she say more?

At least the POTUS is trying to defend the world against this dangerous ideology.

If America submits, the rest of the free world will be forced to.

 

[tytlyf]

Need she say more?

At least the POTUS is trying to defend the world against this dangerous ideology.

If America submits, the rest of the free world will be forced to.

If Islam is the enemy, so is christianity. You don't understand the context of this.
Muslims are hugely peaceful people, just like blacks. But you'll tell me otherwise.

 

[LuisDantas]

People will greatly disagree.
Get used to it, or suffer stress.

You seem to think there is a choice in there.

 

[LuisDantas]

Need she say more?

At least the POTUS is trying to defend the world against this dangerous ideology.

If America submits, the rest of the free world will be forced to.

If that is defense, I would rather be attacked, thank you very much.

 

[idav]

Except if there is a divide in the U.S. regarding individuals who are trans gendered it is not over whether or not they can serve, even your numbers show this. The divide concerning trans is what degree of respect should their gender construct be afforded.

Unfortunately, the fight had started. I do not think Trump made that tear. I think people did. We created the gender binary society in which we live, not Trump.

That Trump is reinforcing one more layer of discrimination hardly justifies the title one that tore apart. It was already torn. It was a necessary tear if we are going to make progress and be more accepting and accommodating.

Now whether Trump is emboldening those who were already hateful is another story. My point is, all of these problems were there. They existed. People pointed to them and others said "nah." These problems are not spontaneous. People really did hate trans people before trump, people really did hate others because of their race before Trump, people really did hate gays, and immigtants, and muslims, before Trump. There really was systemic prejudices and discrimination before Trump, people really did not trust politicians before Trump. The tears were there. There is little Trump is original enough to tear himself.

And the tears were there because we made them and we did not fix them. Consequently, Trump was able to ride hos way into office playing on this hatred.

I disagree in that I think this country was seeing so much progress with all this stuff with the Obama administration and I feel like we are just going backwards reverting back to the ideologies of a third world theocratic state. He even made Ivanka sign off on his shooting down the initiative for gender equal pay, there is no end to the backwardness that Trump is pushing so hard for. What's next, reverting to don't ask don't tell? Who knows but wouldn't surprise me in the least bit. Certainly there are gender issues but the last administration made leaps and bounds and the Feds finally catching up with same sex marriage was actually them catching up to the way majority of Americans feel. Like I said majority of soldiers don't mind fighting next to a transgender individual and all the branches signed off on it, so I don't see a "problem". Trump sees a problem that doesn't currently exist, unless you think I'm wrong about the majority of soldiers viewpoint on the matter then Trump and administration are creating the divisiveness themselves.

 

[Revoltingest]

You seem to think there is a choice in there.

There is.
I consciously chose to not mind people holding vastly different views.
I don't mind failed arguments, magical thinking, communists, & even
lawyers (when they're the good ones). Your beliefs don't bother me
either....even though they're sometimes as loopy as mine.

 

[LuisDantas]

There is.

Trust me. There is not.

 

[Revoltingest]

Trust me. There is not.

I trust Mrs Revolt, my lawyers, my CPA, & my general contractor.
But you need more going for you than being cute as the dickens to earn my trust.

 

[Father Heathen]

At least the POTUS is trying to defend the world against this dangerous ideology. If America submits, the rest of the free world will be forced to.

I'm no fan of Islam, but how does discrimination against Muslims fight radicalism/extremism? That would be like banning Christians to fight the KKK and other fundamentalist extremist groups. You don't defend America by destroying the values that represent America; i.e. rights, freedom, equality, justice, etc.