Trump to FBI Director Comey: You're Fired!

[tytlyf]

How do any of your assertions here answer my question as to how Comey was supposedly protecting his own interesting with his opinion on Clinton's acts and motives?

Are you saying that Comey engaged in wrongdoing, and absolving Clinton was a way to absolve himself?

Hillary and Comey went to dinner one night where Clinton asked Comey to 'go easy' on her during the FBI investigation. Comey agreed and gave her his loyalty. The result of this dinner meeting between the FBI director and the person under investigation is innocence and 'no wrong doing.'

Right?

 

[Nous]

Hillary and Comey went to dinner one night where Clinton asked Comey to 'go easy' on her during the FBI investigation. Comey agreed and gave her his loyalty. The result of this dinner meeting between the FBI director and the person under investigation is innocence and 'no wrong doing.'

Right?

I guess so.

I just really don't get the widespread animus toward Clinton.

 

[metis]

I just really don't get the widespread animus toward Clinton.

I'll be frank with you in that I believe what it is with some men is that they don't like powerful women over them-- makes their hands seem smaller I guess.

Also, the constant repetition of things like "crooked Hillary" took it's toll, which is a tactic right out of Goebbel's playbook, whereas if you tell the "big lie" often enough, people will come to believe it. The reality is that Trump has a long record of violating laws and not paying sub-contractors, but all too many ignored that and voted for him anyway, "thinking" the he was less "crooked" than she.

And, as some have commented on recently, there was ample evidence that Trump would be a walking-talking disaster long before the election with how he treated people in words but also with his actions. Imagine a guy who intentionally walks in on teenage girls changing clothes and then also with the Miss Universe women. He also has had over 100 lawsuits pending dealing with unpaid subcontractors. Etc.

And yet people voted for him anyway, and I have one word for that: dumb.

 

[Nous]

I'll be frank with you in that I believe what it is with some men is that they don't like powerful women over them-- makes their hands seem smaller I guess.

Also, the constant repetition of things like "crooked Hillary" took it's toll, which is a tactic right out of Goebbel's playbook, whereas if you tell the "big lie" often enough, people will come to believe it. The reality is that Trump has a long record of violating laws and not paying sub-contractors, but all too many ignored that and voted for him anyway, "thinking" the he was less "crooked" than she.

And, as some have commented on recently, there was ample evidence that Trump would be a walking-talking disaster long before the election with how he treated people in words but also with his actions. Imagine a guy who intentionally walks in on teenage girls changing clothes and then also with the Miss Universe women. He also has had over 100 lawsuits pending dealing with unpaid subcontractors. Etc.

And yet people voted for him anyway, and I have one word for that: dumb.

I agree completely. In fact, I had written but deleted a comment about the animus toward her being misogynist.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

I guess so.

I just really don't get the widespread animus toward Clinton.

She's a Democrat.....for some, even in this very thread, that's more than enough....!

 

[Falvlun]

Trump told Russians that firing "nut job" Comey eased pressure from investigation.

Well. Nothing like bragging to the Russians that you fired the guy investigating your ties with Russia and that it relieved great pressure off of you.

Just. How?

 

[Jeremiahcp]

I am not sure how any sensible person could not see this as obstruction of justice; not only has Trump expressed he fired Comey because of the Russian investigation, but he openly brags about it.

 

[Shad]

But there's no prosecutorial evidence to bring her to trial according to the FBI.

The FBI doesn't make that call. The DOJ does, a DOJ later shown to be in collusion with Bill. I mean talking about their children!

Trump ran on a campaign to "Lock her up" but said he declined to because it was just good politics and he won so he wasn't going to do it.

I never expected to Trump carry through with any of his promises.

I do agree that impeachment and resignation of Trump at this point is silly.

It is silly until the midterm swing. Right now the Republicans will not vote to impeach him unless there is clear evidence against Trump that their state base would accept. The GOP fears that impeachment could cost them the majority. If the Democrats take over the majority they will push for impeachment.

Neither party willingly goes after it's own unless there is a benefit in doing so. Democrats did it with Bill. The GOP will do it with Trump.

Except that we know releasing his tax returns is something he can do regardless of audit. That means absolutely nothing and on its face...not to release them because of an audit is a lie. Maddow getting hold of the return itself and sharing it didn't mean too much other than the fact that the narrative Trump presents to not release them is bunk.

Trump is under no obligation to release any returns. You have no evidence that Trump was the leak. You are treating media speculation as fact.

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s far as the investigations...well multiple agencies and congressional committees and an independent prosecutor are tasked with the investigation into Trump and his associates. They believe that there is enough information there surrounding those closest to him to warrant a look. I'm fine with them following the evidence.

And they have turned up nadda, nothing, do not pass go, so far

Except he did in fact say explicitly in his interview with Lester Holt that the reason he fired Comey was not because of the Hillary email investigation he had his surrogates come out to tell the American people rather he did it because Comey was investigating his associates, (Flynn and others) ties to Russia.

No he didn't. He said he wanted someone competent and Comey was a showboat.

That sounds like obstruction of justice. But it's being spun differently for the president. If you or I did that we'd be prosecuted.

When you make up or cite a fake quote yes it does. However that is exactly what the left media wants you to think. You get a cookie.

Have you actually watched the interview?

 

[Shad]

Prove that Clinton knowingly removed documents or materials containing classified material without authority and with intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location. What documents or materials containing classified information did she remove?

The FBI investigation showed a number of email were marked classified on her server.

What was her motive for her alleged intention to retain such documents at this location?

By pass government check into her activities that would normal be taken on state email addresses.

 

[Shad]

How do any of your assertions here answer my question as to how Comey was supposedly protecting his own interesting with his opinion on Clinton's acts and motives?

As Clinton was the expected winner of the election. Exposing the leading candidate as corrupt but unable to put forward a trial due to compromised DOJ is protecting his career interests rather than biting the bullet.

Are you saying that Comey engaged in wrongdoing, and absolving Clinton was a way to absolve himself?

Nope. His acts just prior to the vote and after were his was of absolving himself.

 

[Shad]

Comey, a Republican, did not feel that what Hilary did was an intentional act to undermine the country in any way, which is why he said they would not prosecute.

Not his call.

OTOH, Trump was fined twice for illegal use of campaign funds, fined just a couple of months ago for refusing to pay a sub-contractor, fined for his Trump University scandal, etc.

Clinton Foundation? Heard of it?

Trump is no innocent. He is just the other side of the coin of what he called the swamp. He bragged about "buying" politicians during the campaign.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

The FBI doesn't make that call. The DOJ does, a DOJ later shown to be in collusion with Bill. I mean talking about their children!

The DOJ would have gone off of the information provided by the investigating body. It works the same on the federal level as it does on the state level. The prosecution doesn't bring charges against a person simply because they feel like it. It's done after police investigating the person presents the evidence to the prosecutor. The DOJ under Trump could have taken Comey's findings and brought a case but they haven't which tells you there's no there...there. And Bill talking to her on the plane about kids is nothing like Trump's admitted obstruction of justice....

I never expected to Trump carry through with any of his promises.

How convenient...

It is silly until the midterm swing. Right now the Republicans will not vote to impeach him unless there is clear evidence against Trump that their state base would accept. The GOP fears that impeachment could cost them the majority. If the Democrats take over the majority they will push for impeachment.

Oh yeah....I know. It's about politics with them. There's more evidence for Trump's obstruction of justice than Hillary's handling of Benghazi yet they felt compelled to launch 10 or 11 separate committee investigations one after the other even though each subsequent investigation found no wrong doing but it never stopped them from pressing on. Different story now....

Neither party willingly goes after it's own unless there is a benefit in doing so. Democrats did it with Bill. The GOP will do it with Trump.

In Bills's case there was no case. And that's exactly what was found. In Trump's case he admitted to firing comey, not once but twice, because he was investigating him as his associates ties to Russia. That seems to be above and beyond Bill having an extramarital affair and lying about it.

Trump is under no obligation to release any returns. You have no evidence that Trump was the leak. You are treating media speculation as fact.

Sure. He's under no obligation but it seems his incessant lying about why he can't release them makes it seems he has something to hide. I believe it will show he's not worth as much as he claims or will show multiple foreign loans/investments...just as his sons described. That raises questions as to how beholden he is to foreign manipulation. It's a concern I have but until he releases them I certainly don't focus on it. And nowhere did I ever say he was responsible for the leakes. And as far as the press...I believe they serve a vital role and only treat their stories as information..not evidence.

And they have turned up nadda, nothing, do not pass go, so far

We're only privy to the stuff they can share with us publicly. All the rest is classified. Trump and associates are being investigated by multiple agencies and committees. We have the intelligence side and the criminal side and as I've said I'm fine letting the facts accumulate. This past week alone has been interesting. Even Trump has lawyered up. Flynn hiding behind the 5th amendment but they're subpoenaing his businesses. To me it seems it's much bigger than his supporters believe...

No he didn't. He said he wanted someone competent and Comey was a showboat.

Uh..Yes he did. What interview were you watching...?

Trump: "And in fact when I decided to just do it, I said to myself, I said 'you know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made-up story........"

And what he said in the WH when he was meeting with the Russians...: "I just fired the head of the FBI. He was crazy, a real nut job," ......"I faced great pressure because of Russia. That's taken off."

When you make up or cite a fake quote yes it does. However that is exactly what the left media wants you to think. You get a cookie.

Have you actually watched the interview?

What fake quote. It was Trump himself who said it right there in the interview it was because of Russia. He recently came out again and said it as I've indicated above. And what left media are you talking about? I'm only talking about what is known already by the left and the right since it's coming directly from Trump....LOL!!!

 

[metis]

Not his call.

Actually it was as we've seen since Hillary was not prosecuted.

Clinton Foundation? Heard of it?

Yes, but apparently you forgot that there has not been even any indictments for wrongdoing, thus "innocent until proven guilty".

 

[Nous]

The FBI investigation showed a number of email were marked classified on her server.

Obviously that fact does not imply a violation of 18 USC § 1924.

By pass government check into her activities

From what fact(s) can such an intent be inferred? What "government check into her activities" did she bypass?

 

[Nous]

As Clinton was the expected winner of the election. Exposing the leading candidate as corrupt but unable to put forward a trial due to compromised DOJ is protecting his career interests rather than biting the bullet.

"Putting forward a trial"--whatever that is supposed to mean--is not part of the job of the FBI Director. Therefore, Comey could not have been "protecting his interests" by not doing something that is not part of the responsiblities of the FBI Director.