Trump Wants To Ban Muslims Jimmy Carter Banned Muslims (Well Iranians to be truthfull)

[esmith]

Seems like we might have a quandary here. Seems that almost all politicians, the media, and the White House is going ballistic over Trump's statement about banning Muslims from entering the country. However, I am old enough to remember Jimmy Carter doing basically the same thing, banning Iranians from entering the country. He even went as far as ordering 50,000 Iranian students to report to immigration offices with view of deporting those in violation of their visas.
Seems that a lot of people do not have very good memories, well probably selective memories. So, lets here the denouncing of President Carter people. Or is it different now?
http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/2...ns-coming-us-during-hostage-daniel-greenfield

OK people make your arguments.

 

[Nietzsche]

Seems like we might have a quandary here. Seems that almost all politicians, the media, and the White House is going ballistic over Trump's statement about banning Muslims from entering the country. However, I am old enough to remember Jimmy Carter doing basically the same thing, banning Iranians from entering the country. He even went as far as ordering 50,000 Iranian students to report to immigration offices with view of deporting those in violation of their visas.
Seems that a lot of people do not have very good memories, well probably selective memories. So, lets here the denouncing of President Carter people. Or is it different now?
http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/2...ns-coming-us-during-hostage-daniel-greenfield

OK people make your arguments.

Because the situation in Iran involved obvious & blatant involvement of the Iranian government?

 

[psychoslice]

I certainly do understand why they want to ban them, even though I cannot agree totally.

 

[columbus]

However, I am old enough to remember Jimmy Carter doing basically the same thing, banning Iranians from entering the country.

You've forgotten the rest of all that? Collapse of the Pahlavi government and hostages and such?
I'm more disappointed in Carter for not ending the Cuba nonsense. But it looks like Obama will pull off reinstating the constitution on that one.
Tom

 

[esmith]

You've forgotten the rest of all that? Collapse of the Pahlavi government and hostages and such?
I'm more disappointed in Carter for not ending the Cuba nonsense. But it looks like Obama will pull off reinstating the constitution on that one.
Tom

No I didn't forget the rest of it. Was aboard destroyer in the Persian gulf and thought we would have to send a shore party to rescue Morrison Knudsen (pretty sure of company) workers. Didn't have to, they came to us.

 

[columbus]

No I didn't forget the rest of it.

Then why so much trouble grasping the difference between two countries having a row over a diplomatic issue and the blanket ban based on religious beliefs?
Tom

 

[Sunstone]

Then why so much trouble grasping the difference between two countries having a row over a diplomatic issue and the blanket ban based on religious beliefs?
Tom

Trump's proposal in all likelihood would run afoul of the 14th Amendment. Carter's action was, in my opinion, wrong, but it was at least constitutional.

 

[columbus]

Trump's proposal in all likelihood would run afoul of the 14th Amendment. Carter's action was, in my opinion, wrong, but it was at least constitutional.

Which is why this is all a tempest in a teapot. The main thing is this: Carter is not running for anything. It is Trump who is putting his beliefs and thought processes out there for the electorate to get a handle on, prior to the election. IOW, this is Trump on his best behavior.
Tom

 

[Altfish]

Iran is a country whose citizens have passports with 'Iran' on it.
Muslims are not a country, their passports may say 'Iran', 'Afghanistan', 'Canada', 'UK' or even 'USA'

There is a big difference

 

[psychoslice]

Iran is a country whose citizens have passports with 'Iran' on it.
Muslims are not a country, their passports may say 'Iran', 'Afghanistan', 'Canada', 'UK' or even 'USA'

There is a big difference

And there is the problem.

 

[Tomorrows_Child]

Seems like we might have a quandary here. Seems that almost all politicians, the media, and the White House is going ballistic over Trump's statement about banning Muslims from entering the country. However, I am old enough to remember Jimmy Carter doing basically the same thing, banning Iranians from entering the country. He even went as far as ordering 50,000 Iranian students to report to immigration offices with view of deporting those in violation of their visas.
Seems that a lot of people do not have very good memories, well probably selective memories. So, lets here the denouncing of President Carter people. Or is it different now?
http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/2...ns-coming-us-during-hostage-daniel-greenfield

OK people make your arguments.

When Carter did it was it right? Was it also right to send thousands of Japanese to American built concentration camps or the paranoid behaviour of the American citizenry during the age of McCarthy?

American policy makers thrive on fear and war. All fear and war requires an enemy.

 

[Revoltingest]

When Carter did it was it right? Was it also right to send thousands of Japanese to American built concentration camps or the paranoid behaviour of the American citizenry during the age of McCarthy?
American policy makers thrive on fear and war. All fear and war requires an enemy.

This is the best analogy
We did have Japanese spies prior to & during WW2.
But were any Iranian students involved in any mischief?

 

[Revoltingest]

In the news.....
http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2015...-state-worker-two-muslim-men-praying-in-park/

SACRAMENTO (CBS13) — A cellphone video of a confrontation between a state worker and two Muslim men praying in a park has sparked a hate crime investigation.
The cellphone video shows the alleged verbal attack.
“But the people you tortured are going to be in eternity in Heaven. You are very deceived by Satan,” said a state worker identified as Denise Slader. “Your mind has been taken over, brainwashed, and you have nothing but hate.”
A park employee soon comes into frame trying to stop the exchange when the confrontation turns physical.

Note:
No point to make...just found it interesting.

 

[esmith]

Trump's proposal in all likelihood would run afoul of the 14th Amendment. Carter's action was, in my opinion, wrong, but it was at least constitutional.

I do believe that these "refugees" do not have the protection of the Constitution as long as they are not in the country.

 

[esmith]

Trump's proposal in all likelihood would run afoul of the 14th Amendment. Carter's action was, in my opinion, wrong, but it was at least constitutional.

Right, just as you think anything the Obama does is constitutional

 

[leibowde84]

Seems like we might have a quandary here. Seems that almost all politicians, the media, and the White House is going ballistic over Trump's statement about banning Muslims from entering the country. However, I am old enough to remember Jimmy Carter doing basically the same thing, banning Iranians from entering the country. He even went as far as ordering 50,000 Iranian students to report to immigration offices with view of deporting those in violation of their visas.
Seems that a lot of people do not have very good memories, well probably selective memories. So, lets here the denouncing of President Carter people. Or is it different now?
http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/2...ns-coming-us-during-hostage-daniel-greenfield

OK people make your arguments.

Iran was our enemy explicitly during that time. Islam is not our enemy now. Extremists are. The vast majority of Muslims aren't extremists. Otoh, 100% of Iranians are Iranian.

 

[metis]

Iran was our enemy explicitly during that time. Islam is not our enemy now. Extremists are. The vast majority of Muslims aren't extremists. Otoh, 100% of Iranians are Iranian.

Well said.

 

[Mycroft]

OK people make your arguments.

Do you support his idea?

 

[columbus]

Right, just as you think anything the Obama does is constitutional

Not at all!
I was stunned when ACA passed the Supreme Court on such a flimsy premise as "when the IRS collects a penalty, it is a tax."
I hate it, but it is law.
Tom

 

[Revoltingest]

Iran was our enemy explicitly during that time. Islam is not our enemy now. Extremists are. The vast majority of Muslims aren't extremists. Otoh, 100% of Iranians are Iranian.

Arguably, even fewer of the Iranians in Americastan at the time were our enemy.
I knew & still know them....they're here cuz they liked it here & were studying.
Was there even a single instance of an Iranian committing evil?
I don't recall any. If there were, they must've been few & small.
So I believe that Carter's actions were very wrong.
It's especially ironic because we attacked Iran first, & continued during Carter's reign.