Trump would have been charged with obstruction were he not president

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...946a1a-7006-11e9-9f06-5fc2ee80027a_story.html

Based on this STATEMENT BY FORMER FEDERAL PROSECUTORS

The signers include Republicans and Democrats from every administration including:

• Donald Ayer, a former deputy attorney general in the George H.W. Bush Administration;
  
• John S. Martin, a former U.S. attorney and federal judge appointed to his posts by two Republican presidents;
  
• Paul Rosenzweig, who served as senior counsel to independent counsel Kenneth Starr; and
  
• Jeffrey Harris, who worked as the principal assistant to Rudolph W. Giuliani when he was at the Justice Department in the Reagan administration.

The list also includes more than 20 former U.S. attorneys, and more than 100 people with at least 20 years of service at the Justice Department — most of them former career officials. The signers worked in every presidential administration since that of Dwight D. Eisenhower.

 

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...946a1a-7006-11e9-9f06-5fc2ee80027a_story.html

Based on this STATEMENT BY FORMER FEDERAL PROSECUTORS

The signers include Republicans and Democrats from every administration including:

• Donald Ayer, a former deputy attorney general in the George H.W. Bush Administration;
  
• John S. Martin, a former U.S. attorney and federal judge appointed to his posts by two Republican presidents;
  
• Paul Rosenzweig, who served as senior counsel to independent counsel Kenneth Starr; and
  
• Jeffrey Harris, who worked as the principal assistant to Rudolph W. Giuliani when he was at the Justice Department in the Reagan administration.

The list also includes more than 20 former U.S. attorneys, and more than 100 people with at least 20 years of service at the Justice Department — most of them former career officials. The signers worked in every presidential administration since that of Dwight D. Eisenhower.

And he still could be charged after he leaves office. It has not been tested, but it is generally thought that a sitting President cannot be charged with this sort of crime. The bar is raised a bit for charges against the President. Of course that does not mean "no obstruction", that was a lie, and it was amazing that his pants did not burst out in flames when he said "total vindication".

 

[Brickjectivity]

This is dangerous and unwise. You should not threaten to charge a president after they leave office. The #1 job of the president is to leave office at the end of their term, and you are discouraging them from doing so if you threaten to charge them when they are done. We also protect senators from statements made in session and provide immunity for ambassadors. People. Let it go.

 

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This is dangerous and unwise. You should not threaten to charge a president after they leave office. The #1 job of the president is to leave office at the end of their term, and you are discouraging them from doing so if you threaten to charge them when they are done. We also protect senators from statements made in session and provide immunity for ambassadors. People. Let it go.

I would not mind if a deal like Nixon made was done. Nixon lost his law license. He could have gotten it back if he stated that he did no wrong. He did not want to take that risk and avoided doing so. If Trump could be publicly shamed at the least then this could be dropped. Being President should not excuse the crimes that one did to become President.

 

[Twilight Hue]

The whole thing is asinine to begin with.

If the 'Mueller standard' was employed during Obama's regime....

Using Mueller’s Standard, Did Obama Obstruct Justice? - Ricochet

Not a peep made about it then.

Not a peep should be made about it now.

 

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...946a1a-7006-11e9-9f06-5fc2ee80027a_story.html

Based on this STATEMENT BY FORMER FEDERAL PROSECUTORS

The signers include Republicans and Democrats from every administration including:

• Donald Ayer, a former deputy attorney general in the George H.W. Bush Administration;
  
• John S. Martin, a former U.S. attorney and federal judge appointed to his posts by two Republican presidents;
  
• Paul Rosenzweig, who served as senior counsel to independent counsel Kenneth Starr; and
  
• Jeffrey Harris, who worked as the principal assistant to Rudolph W. Giuliani when he was at the Justice Department in the Reagan administration.

The list also includes more than 20 former U.S. attorneys, and more than 100 people with at least 20 years of service at the Justice Department — most of them former career officials. The signers worked in every presidential administration since that of Dwight D. Eisenhower.

And yet....he's still there in the Oval Office...laughing at you...

 

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And yet....he's still there in the Oval Office...laughing at you...

Idiots tend to do that when they are in trouble.

 

[Daemon Sophic]

The whole thing is asinine to begin with.

If the 'Mueller standard' was employed during Obama's regime....

Using Mueller’s Standard, Did Obama Obstruct Justice? - Ricochet

Not a peep made about it then.

Not a peep should be made about it now.

Vapid opinion piece with no actual contact with US law, the US constitution, or common sense.

This is dangerous and unwise. You should not threaten to charge a president after they leave office. The #1 job of the president is to leave office at the end of their term, and you are discouraging them from doing so if you threaten to charge them when they are done. We also protect senators from statements made in session and provide immunity for ambassadors. People. Let it go.

Absolutely not.
This is about the rule of law.
Trump doesn’t get a “pass” just because he’s president.

Comments made in session, or joking around at a strategy meeting, et...are completely different from orders to stop an investigation into your own possible criminal activities (even if no initial crime was committed).

 

[BSM1]

Idiots tend to do that when they are in trouble.

The "idiot" evidently is smarter than any Democrat in Congress at the moment.

 

[metis]

This is about the rule of law.

But, as we've repeatedly seen, Trump's supporters just don't seem to care about that one iota. For all practical purposes, they basically take the view that Trump is more important than the Constitution itself, and even most Evangelicals willingly place him over the Bible, God, and Jesus, thus excusing Trump's all so many of his depraved words and actions as if they really don't count.

 

[Brickjectivity]

I would not mind if a deal like Nixon made was done. Nixon lost his law license. He could have gotten it back if he stated that he did no wrong. He did not want to take that risk and avoided doing so. If Trump could be publicly shamed at the least then this could be dropped. Being President should not excuse the crimes that one did to become President.

The Roman Republic fell because senators were using this against one another, and the moment one senator came out of office they became the target of numerous lawsuits. Similarly the Caesars feared to give up their power, because they'd be prosecuted as a result. Hence if Congress isn't going to impeach the president while he's in office he ought to be left alone. If Congress won't do it, then don't do it yourself. He's been elected to be the enforcer of the law. Its all decided already.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Absolutely not.
This is about the rule of law.
Trump doesn’t get a “pass” just because he’s president.

Comments made in session, or joking around at a strategy meeting, et...are completely different from orders to stop an investigation into your own possible criminal activities (even if no initial crime was committed).

Government is unjust at its heart, and it is always a compromise. The presidency is part of it, and if the populace so chooses to put in someone who's a lawbreaker then we will suffer for it. There is no justice to be had in this unless Congress impeaches him. He's elected.

 

[Daemon Sophic]

Government is unjust at its heart, and it is always a compromise. The presidency is part of it, and if the populace so chooses to put in someone who's a lawbreaker then we will suffer for it. There is no justice to be had in this unless Congress impeaches him. He's elected.

I disagree. The law disagrees. The US constitution disagrees.
He and the press (and social media) conned him into office, and enough people were easy marks that he was elected president. Fine.
And you are partially right. No justice unless Congress impeaches him (in this term).
Once he’s impeached out of office, he gets indicted and brought for a fair trial.
If they don’t impeach him, then he stays in office, with him and his fanatical sycophant base laughing their way to the election. But once he is voted out, then he gets indicted and brought for a fair trial.
That is what the law and the constitution demand.

 

[BSM1]

I disagree. The law disagrees. The US constitution disagrees.
He and the press (and social media) conned him into office, and enough people were easy marks that he was elected president. Fine.
And you are partially right. No justice unless Congress impeaches him (in this term).
Once he’s impeached out of office, he gets indicted and brought for a fair trial.
If they don’t impeach him, then he stays in office, with him and his fanatical sycophant base laughing their way to the election. But once he is voted out, then he gets indicted and brought for a fair trial.
That is what the law and the constitution demand.

What would you have him impeached on?

 

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The "idiot" evidently is smarter than any Democrat in Congress at the moment.

Not really, unfortunately he has duped quite a few people into hitching their wagon to his falling star.

 

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What would you have him impeached on?

It is rather obvious that he is guilty of several crimes to those that are not heavy Kool-Aid drinkers. The problem is do these crimes rise to the level of being "high crimes and misdemeanors". Since the Republican controlled Senate would need to be convinced first I would say "No". He could be impeached just as Clinton was. That did not do the Republicans and good and I do not think that impeaching Trump would do the Democrats any good. But that is no excuse to drop the investigation. As more of it becomes public Trump looks worse and worse (as if that were possible). Trump knows that this harms him. As long as the Democrats keep a cool head and properly investigate Trump it will only sink the Republicans further. They may realize this themselves and begin proceedings if they ever see the writing on the wall.

 

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...946a1a-7006-11e9-9f06-5fc2ee80027a_story.html

Based on this STATEMENT BY FORMER FEDERAL PROSECUTORS

The signers include Republicans and Democrats from every administration including:

• Donald Ayer, a former deputy attorney general in the George H.W. Bush Administration;
  
• John S. Martin, a former U.S. attorney and federal judge appointed to his posts by two Republican presidents;
  
• Paul Rosenzweig, who served as senior counsel to independent counsel Kenneth Starr; and
  
• Jeffrey Harris, who worked as the principal assistant to Rudolph W. Giuliani when he was at the Justice Department in the Reagan administration.

The list also includes more than 20 former U.S. attorneys, and more than 100 people with at least 20 years of service at the Justice Department — most of them former career officials. The signers worked in every presidential administration since that of Dwight D. Eisenhower.

Was it that he called it a witch hunt? Is that how he caused obstruction?

Or is this obstruction just hot air? I didn't see any specifics in the link.

 

[anna.]

The whole thing is asinine to begin with.

If the 'Mueller standard' was employed during Obama's regime....

Using Mueller’s Standard, Did Obama Obstruct Justice? - Ricochet

Not a peep made about it then.

Not a peep should be made about it now.

Is it too much to wish for that every defense of Trump didn't include a reference to a Clinton or Obama?

 

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And yet....he's still there in the Oval Office...laughing at you...

He's not laughing but instead continuing to try to prevent justice from being done.

 

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Is it too much too wish for that every defense of Trump didn't include a reference to a Clinton or Obama?

When all that is available is an attempt to create a false equivalence, that's what you go with. And Clinton was impeached as Trump should be and in fact LOCKED UP along with the rest of the criminal gang.

The House is moving against Barr which is a good start. The noose is closing.