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Trump's Base has begun to Desert him

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
He never really had support; it was a partisan vote and Trump was the rallying point, pure and simple. Then people that voted for him had to rationalize that action which resulted in a lot of denial. As we move further away from the election and Trump continues to prove his incompetence that disillusionment is waning. However, just because it is waning now does not mean it will not return.
Even partisanship does not really explain a rate of approval of 30% or more, though.
 

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Are these the same pollsters that said Clinton was going to win the election?

You are correct to suspect the polls, which, when done properly, only reflect the opinions of the voters and what would have been the outcome of honest elections. They don't take voter suppression tactics or electronic voting machine hacking into account.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Worrisome, too.

Indeed. Robert Altemeyer, who spent his life studying Authoritarian Personality Syndrome, has noted that, in recent decades, the vast majority of people who test out with the Syndrome have concentrated in the Republican Party, whereas before, they were more or less evenly divided between the two Parties. I think that bodes ill for Republicans and the Nation as a whole, because it would suggest that that group will have a great deal to say about who gets nominated to run on the Republican ticket now and in the future.
 

Stanyon

WWMRD?
They at least back their claims up with facts.

No, they try to legitimize their opinion by using shreds of fact.
Example:
Fact: There is a bucket of water in the middle of the floor and we don't know how it got there
Opinion:
Billy came in and noticed that there was no water in the house so he filled a bucket and put it in the middle of the floor.
Opinion:
It was raining and Sally noticed the ceiling was leaking so she put a bucket in the middle of the floor to catch it.
 

Jeremiahcp

Well-Known Jerk
Even partisanship does not really explain a rate of approval of 30% or more, though.

Trump was elected on George Wallace politics, it is great for getting votes, as it feeds on the anger and hate of people, but that wears off. If you are familiar with American history, when you look at, much of what is happening makes sense.
 

Jeremiahcp

Well-Known Jerk
Even partisanship does not really explain a rate of approval of 30% or more, though.

Also keep in mind we may be pass what is typically considered the honeymoon period for a new president. Where people are typically more enthusiastic about the possibilities a new president brings, before they have had a chance to see how bad he really is. Due to his low ratings coming out the gate everyone just assumed Trump didn't get one, but maybe he did and it is over now.
 

Akivah

Well-Known Member
Why don't you Google it and find out? While you are at it you can look at who won the popular vote by 3 million votes.

How about you do research about what is needed to win a presidential election in accordance with the US Constitution?
 

Akivah

Well-Known Member
You are correct to suspect the polls, which, when done properly, only reflect the opinions of the voters and what would have been the outcome of honest elections. They don't take voter suppression tactics or electronic voting machine hacking into account.

Those sorts of things can be accounted for by using statistics. Perhaps those pollsters should hire better statisticians.
 

Akivah

Well-Known Member
Nope. The pollsters in question were one of only two major pollsters who CORRECTLY predicted the November election.

Oh. Then Democrats should coast to easy victories in the mid-term elections. Just stand back and let Trump implode.
 

esmith

Veteran Member
Good, but your response points out why you're the problem.
History won't be kind to you.
No it points out that we are the voters who will save the United States of America
And history has already been unkind to me from
Nov 22, 1963 to Jan 20, 1969
Jan 20, 1971 to Jan 20 1981
Jan 20, 1993 to Jan 20, 2001
Jan 20, 2009 to Jan 20, 2017
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
If you're interested, Louis, this is the best explanation I've seen so far of the psychology of Trump supporters:
Psychological Study Of Trump Supporters

I'm not sure. The first sentence of the article reads: "The lightning-fast ascent and political invincibility of Donald Trump has left many experts baffled and wondering, 'How did we get here?'"

I think this is where it begins and ends. The fact that there's so much confusion, hand-wringing, and bafflement is indicative of how so many segments of our population have grown out of touch with other segments of the population. It's like they're trying to analyze people from Mars and having trouble figuring things out. I think that's a large part of the problem right there. People are acting like it's some huge shock and surprise that there are actually disgruntled people in this country, and rather than try to reach out to them and ask them what's wrong, all they want to do is pigeonhole, categorize, and ridicule. They've already rushed to judgment and made their decision that whole sections of America are "worthless" and "deplorable," and then scratch their heads and wonder "Well, gee, how did we get here?" How, indeed?
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
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Margaret Thatcher and the Falklands war,same waning popularity,north Korea,scary stuff.

As for the polls they aren't 100% reliable but hope they are and he's gone before he gets to screw up big stylie.
 

Laika

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
If you're interested, Louis, this is the best explanation I've seen so far of the psychology of Trump supporters:
Psychological Study Of Trump Supporters

The understanding of authoritarianism is actually quite limited so I'd treat it with caution. (I'm not sure how relevant or useful this is, but you may find it interesting so its maybe worth sharing).

Psychologists understanding of authoritarianism is more appropriate to the right of the political spectrum because it was based on studies of fascism and Nazism. It has reached a point where psychologists have questioned the existence of "left-wing authoritarianism" at all because its so difficult to identify (as a meaningful psychological propensity). The capacity of left-wing movements to simultaneously rebel against authority and tradition and to be authoritarian makes it much more difficult to characterise as opposed to the more conservative authoritarianism of the right defending "traditional" institutions which are often much more internally consistent and rigid producing predictable behaviour patterns and beliefs. Despite the conventional wisdom, left wing and right wing extremists show differences based on psychological research and that ideology does play an important role in distinguishing between them. Psychological studies from the population of Eastern European do show that "left-wing authoritarianism" exists but they are still struggling to understand it.
 
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tytlyf

Not Religious
No it points out that we are the voters who will save the United States of America
And history has already been unkind to me from
Nov 22, 1963 to Jan 20, 1969
Jan 20, 1971 to Jan 20 1981
Jan 20, 1993 to Jan 20, 2001
Jan 20, 2009 to Jan 20, 2017
The current year is 2017. Live in it.

You are the voters who just trashed America. That's why Trump isn't responsible, you are. If it weren't for gullible people, confidence men would be out of business long ago. Which is another reason to promote public education.
 
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