Trump's "Godly Masculinity"

[Revoltingest]

Christians continue to amaze me.

Opinion: Evangelicals See Trump’s Hedonism as Godly ‘Masculinity’

Photo Illustration by Luis G. Rendon/The Daily Beast/Reuters/Getty ImagesFor those looking for salacious content, Stormy Daniels’ testimony at Donald Trump’s New York criminal trial did not disappoint.Daniels testified that Trump answered the hotel door wearing “silk or satin.” She also said...

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At least, that was my takeaway from a recent Politico interview with Samuel L. Perry, a sociologist of religion and author of the book Addicted to Lust: Pornography in the Lives of Conservative Protestants. He contends that many evangelicals see Trump as a “representative of a kind of masculinity that is so masculine that his sexual appetites cannot be contained. That’s almost a good sign,” Parry says.

“In other words,” Perry continues, “[Trump is] not Mike Pence—a kind of asexual, Ned Flanders kind of Christian that is effete and ineffective. No, Trump is power personified. He is a warrior. And with that comes all of the temptations of being a warrior.”

 

[Estro Felino]

I think that a man who has had women like Ivana and Melania, two European Valkyries, is a real man.

 

[Revoltingest]

I think that a man who has had women like Ivana and Melania, two European Valkyries, is a real man.

We know.

 

[ChristineM]

We know.

More like he has the money to buy

 

[Revoltingest]

More like he has the money to buy

Some men attract women.
Some men need money to attract women.

 

[Pogo]

God may surprise them when they get there.

or maybe they will catch her on a good day.

 

[Estro Felino]

@Revoltingest
Honestly, I don't believe you understand how much I am weirded out by American culture about sex and masculinity.


It's light years away from what happens here. The exact opposite.

In America a politician pays a woman so she won't reveal that she has had sex with him.

In Italy a male politician pays a beautiful woman so she goes on television to say that she had sex with him (even if it's not true).*


* It did happen with a male politician

 

[Wandering Monk]

Fundies struggling to deal with cognitive dissonance: praise something they once condemned.

 

[Revoltingest]

@Revoltingest
Honestly, I don't believe you understand how much I am weirded out by American culture about sex and masculinity.

That goes both ways.

It's light years away from what happens here. The exact opposite.

In America a politician pays a woman so she won't reveal that she has had sex with him.

In Italy a male politician pays a beautiful woman so she goes on television to say that she had sex with him (even if it's not true).*


* It did happen with a male politician

You should be pleased that I won't
be moving to Italy, & infecting your
country with my weird values.

 

[Pogo]

@Revoltingest
Honestly, I don't believe you understand how much I am weirded out by American culture about sex and masculinity.


It's light years away from what happens here. The exact opposite.

In America a politician pays a woman so she won't reveal that she has had sex with him.

In Italy a male politician pays a beautiful woman so she goes on television to say that she had sex with him (even if it's not true).*


* It did happen with a male politician

And then there is Ciccolina

 

[Estro Felino]

And then there is Ciccolina

We are so modern. A porn star elected as a parliamentarian. 1987.

 

[fantome profane]

In Italy a male politician pays a beautiful woman so she goes on television to say that she had sex with him (even if it's not true).*


* It did happen with a male politician

Did that politician declare it as a campaign expense?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I think that a man who has had women like Ivana and Melania, two European Valkyries, is a real man.

A real man doesn't depend only on money, honey.

I like "real men, frankly, but if Trump ever touched me I'd douse myself in acid to be rid of the disgust.

 

[Stevicus]

@Revoltingest
Honestly, I don't believe you understand how much I am weirded out by American culture about sex and masculinity.


It's light years away from what happens here. The exact opposite.

In America a politician pays a woman so she won't reveal that she has had sex with him.

In Italy a male politician pays a beautiful woman so she goes on television to say that she had sex with him (even if it's not true).*


* It did happen with a male politician

I don't think American culture is strictly uniform on these matters. Even the hypocrisy behind the facade of self-righteousness is also a cultural trope, such as exemplified in works like Peyton Place. We have the public face of purity and righteousness, but if an individual's private lechery is revealed, some might treat it with a nod and a wink or turn the blind eye. People will forgive it in politicians they agree with, while condemning it for politicians they're against.

 

[Estro Felino]

I don't think American culture is strictly uniform on these matters. Even the hypocrisy behind the facade of self-righteousness is also a cultural trope, such as exemplified in works like Peyton Place.

I know. I just think that, morally speaking, Trump is the victim here....if it's true that he had to pay to keep something private which was supposed to remain private.
I mean...it's moral to respect people's right to privacy.

We have the public face of purity and righteousness, but if an individual's private lechery is revealed, some might treat it with a nod and a wink or turn the blind eye.

Or some simpley couldn't care less.
For instance, I only care if some politician steals public money from the treasury.
Not that he sleeps with Buckwheat Bertha.

People will forgive it in politicians they agree with, while condemning it for politicians they're against.

Indeed.

 

[Revoltingest]

A real man doesn't depend only on money, honey.

I like "real men, frankly, but if Trump ever touched me I'd douse myself in acid to be rid of the disgust.

If he ever touched me, I'd pour the acid on him.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I know. I just think that, morally speaking, Trump is the victim here....if it's true that he had to pay to keep something private which was supposed to remain private.
I mean...it's moral to respect people's right to privacy.

Trump is hardly the victim!

Look, I don't care about politicians' sexual peccadilloes -- I've voted for people who've been naughty, and will do so again. Who, after all, am I to judge?

I also agree with you that what is private should remain so. But there's the difficulty -- sometimes people open their mouths and blab. So if you're not ready to face that, don't do the deed. But in 2015, Trump was running for President, and that's when he decided he needed to put a lid on the possibility of Daniels' telling all, and then making false bookkeeping records to hide the payment. That's entirely on him.

 

[sun rise]

Many of same people who were horrified by Clinton's actions now embrace Trump and excuse his behavior. This proves to me that some hold politics and power above the morality enjoined in scripture.

 

[Stevicus]

I know. I just think that, morally speaking, Trump is the victim here....if it's true that he had to pay to keep something private which was supposed to remain private.
I mean...it's moral to respect people's right to privacy.

Or some simpley couldn't care less.
For instance, I only care if some politician steals public money from the treasury.
Not that he sleeps with Buckwheat Bertha.

Indeed.

Back in the 1980s, I supported Democrat Gary Hart's bid for the presidency. It was quite disappointing to learn that he had been followed by reporters and caught seen with another woman. Apparently, they were tipped off by some anonymous source, and he was caught. So, I would wonder why someone thought it would be important enough to tip off the press in the first place, and why did the press think it was important enough to send out a team of reporters. And once the story broke, Gary Hart dropped out of the campaign, and then restarted his campaign some months later. But by that time, his bid for the presidency was all but dead.

It was at that point that I decided that the whole system was a joke. It was never meant to be taken seriously. As it turned out, the Democratic nominee in 1988 was Michael Dukakis. However, I still say that Gary Hart would have been a better candidate and a much better President than George Bush.

It got even stranger by 1992, when Clinton was running. To me, Clinton was just a Republican in sheep's clothing - almost as bad as Reagan and even worse than Bush. And yet, I noticed he was immediately given a pass when the Paula Jones scandal broke - a completely different reaction than how the press reacted to Gary Hart. This clear double standard was, to me, proof positive of corruption going on behind the scenes.

The basic rule of thumb, as demonstrated by the actions of the elite, is this: If you are a toady for the ruling class, all of your sins will be overlooked/ignored/forgiven. If you are considered against the ruling class, your sins will be magnified and intensified in the media. There's a reason why Reagan and Clinton were considered "Teflon Presidents."

 

[tytlyf]

@Revoltingest
In America a politician pays a woman so she won't reveal that she has had sex with him.

The main reason Trump paid off the hooker was because he was married to Melania. The election was secondary imo