Trump's poll numbers; important or not?

[james dixon]

Trump's poll numbers; important or not?

No; they are not. The public does not know what congress and the courts know about Trump. The public only sees half (1/2) of the truth and half (1/2) bull.

Find the truth for yourself and do not rely on polls.

Anyone agree or disagree?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

In 2016 what the polls got wrong was the EC. As for the actual vote, most polls where within the margin of error.

 

[Revoltingest]

To him: Yes
To me: Not

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Polls aren't perfect, but they're better than guessing and wishful thinking.

 

[Quetzal]

Trump's poll numbers; important or not?

No; they are not.

 

[Augustus]

Trump's poll numbers; important or not?

Nope, cos there's no election any time soon and 'approval rating' in a vacuum don't mean a great deal.

They aren't really a great deal of use even when there is one as the electorate is generally so balanced that all they do is show 'too close to call' yet the media creates bogus narratives around small changes in support that occur within the MoE (which is significantly understated anyway).

Polls are more noise than signal.

 

[Stevicus]

Trump's poll numbers; important or not?

No; they are not. The public does not know what congress and the courts know about Trump. The public only sees half (1/2) of the truth and half (1/2) bull.

Find the truth for yourself and do not rely on polls.

Anyone agree or disagree?

I don't care all that much about polls. The only poll that really matters is the one on Election Day.

And as you correctly point out, the public is only given limited information (thanks mainly to a deficient media), so if the public is working from ignorance, then whatever they think at any given moment may change later on.

 

[Stanyon]

The only thing better than the numerous experts, pollsters etc. assuring us of a Clinton victory was the look of dismay and confusion when Trump won in 2016. Oh those sweet tears lol!

 

[BSM1]

Trump's poll numbers; important or not?

No; they are not. The public does not know what congress and the courts know about Trump. The public only sees half (1/2) of the truth and half (1/2) bull.

Find the truth for yourself and do not rely on polls.

Anyone agree or disagree?

How would you know what the truth is?

 

[metis]

Polls, generally speaking, are only good for comparison purposes at a specific spot in time.

 

[columbus]

Find the truth for yourself and do not rely on polls.

Anyone agree or disagree?

Here's one way I can see polls having value.
Sticking with the same poll, on the same questions, tracking trends in different demographic groups.

Important answers to specific questions, not so much. Certainly not predictive of the future.
Tom

 

[sun rise]

Polls are good for getting people excited. This can be happy excited if they agree with you. Or angry/depressed excited when you disagree with them.

But it's true that political animals follow polls the way my dog follows a cookie - with rapt attention and desire.

 

[sun rise]

Here's one way I can see polls having value.
Sticking with the same poll, on the same questions, tracking trends in different demographic groups.

Important answers to specific questions, not so much. Certainly not predictive of the future.
Tom

Fair enough. Long term trends from high-value polls do tell us something.

In that respect, 538's analysis of partisan lean for various polling houses is informative.

 

[esmith]

Here is your typical media idea of a poll/focus group

 

[Twilight Hue]

Knowing how propaganda works, all one has to do is put the word 'scientific' in front of poll and wallah!!!

 

[robocop (actually)]

Trump's poll numbers; important or not?

No; they are not. The public does not know what congress and the courts know about Trump. The public only sees half (1/2) of the truth and half (1/2) bull.

Find the truth for yourself and do not rely on polls.

Anyone agree or disagree?

Well, in his campaign we learned that Donald Trump can pull up his numbers much higher in a short time-span.

 

[james dixon]

The only thing better than the numerous experts, pollsters etc. assuring us of a Clinton victory was the look of dismay and confusion when Trump won in 2016. Oh those sweet tears lol!

It didn't matter who you voted for because it didn't count anyway--

USA 1016 election

Here are the final numbers:

Clinton received 65,844,610 votes, or 48.2% of the total vote.

Trump received 62,979,636 votes, or 46.1% of the total vote. (That's a difference of 2.86 million votes.)

http://fusion.kinja.com/here-is-the-final-popular-vote-count-of-the-2016-electi-1793864349

It was the Electoral College that got Trump into the White House, not the U.S. citizens vote.

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[esmith]

It didn't matter who you voted for because it didn't count anyway--

USA 1016 election

Here are the final numbers:

Clinton received 65,844,610 votes, or 48.2% of the total vote.

Trump received 62,979,636 votes, or 46.1% of the total vote. (That's a difference of 2.86 million votes.)

http://fusion.kinja.com/here-is-the-final-popular-vote-count-of-the-2016-electi-1793864349

It was the Electoral College that got Trump into the White House, not the U.S. citizens vote.

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What you do not seem to understand or even care about is that the Electoral College is the procedures we use to elect our President.
This Country is a Constitutional Republic not a Representative Democracy. A Constitutional Republic has a written constitution of basic rights that protect the minority from being completely unrepresented or abused by the majority. If you and others idea that the Electoral College is unfair you don't seem to understand that concept. Each part of this Country have different values, ideals, and opinions that may differ slightly or immensely. These parts of the country can be basically divided into 2 basic parts, the urban and rural. If we did away with the Electoral College it is highly likely that the urban population would decide the outcome of the Presidential election an very possibly cause the rural portion of the population to be unrepresented or abused by the majority of the urban population.
You do realize that 80% of the counties in the last election voted for President Trump which was a Constitutional majority even though it was not a population majority.
The President represents the Republic, the Congress represent the people. Do you understand that????

 

[james dixon]

This Country is a Constitutional Republic not a Representative Democracy.

That’s great if you are electing a mayor or senator and the local people vote for their representatives but when you elect the President of the USA the entire country should be represented equally.

The problem with a few here is that they can’t see the forest for the trees or maybe they have personal interests and say these things for self serving reasons

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[esmith]

That’s great if you are electing a mayor or senator and the local people vote for their representatives but when you elect the President of the USA the entire country should be represented equally.

The problem with a few here is that they can’t see the forest for the trees or maybe they have personal interests and say these things for self serving reasons

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Did you not read my post? It appears not, since you seem to be confused about the difference between a Constitutional Republic and a Representative Democracy. Lets try it one more time.
A Constitutional Republic has a written constitution of basic rights that protect the minority from being completely unrepresented or abused by the majority.
If you want to elect the President by a majority vote, then the minority states would be subject to the majority states ideas. In other words take a look at the county voting in the 2016 election.

Now please explain how it would have been fair to those residing in the red section of the map if Hillary had been elected using the popular vote.