Trump's strong support / Democrats' lack of support, by white women

[Subduction Zone]

None of the false narratives they spun stuck to him.

Thank you for sharing your opinion.

Only because the Senate was full of what amount to co-conspirators. The Republican party has sold its soul to a man that is a serial wife cheater, a sexual pervert that self admittedly spies on underaged girls. And of course regularly cheats on taxes and the people who he does business with. One has to wonder about the morals of anybody that would support Trump.

Are you okay with overaged pervs spying on teenage girls while they are changing clothes? Remember, he admitted to doing this himself.

And now we find out after he left office that he is a tax cheat. That is why he never released his records. That the IRS is auditing him never meant that he could not release those records. That was just another convenient lie. And of course we all know that he cheated on all three of his wives. And paid money to try to keep two of them quiet.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I'm going out on a limb here, but I'm pretty sure grabbing somebody by the genitals without their prior agreement would be sexual assault in your eyes, too, if this discussion wasn't entirely about owning the Libs.

That is one bad thing about not having Trump for President any longer. It puts a big crimp into my weekend activities.

 

[Fallen Prophet]

I'm going out on a limb here, but I'm pretty sure grabbing somebody by the genitals without their prior agreement would be sexual assault in your eyes, too, if this discussion wasn't entirely about owning the Libs.

I have quoted from the transcript of the conversation.

Trump never claimed that he did anything without "prior agreement."

You are making an inference based on evidence that isn't there.

He did not brag about committing sexual assault or rape.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

None of the false narratives they spun stuck to him.

Thank you for sharing your opinion.

It should be pretty clear that Trump tried to overturn the 2020 election, which is enough to be considered "corrupt." He knew and knows full well there wasn't enough fraud to significantly alter the outcome, he just wanted to win.

Donald Trump's morals have never been in line with the American Ethos, which should have been clear even before he was elected.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I have quoted from the transcript of the conversation.

Trump never claimed that he did anything without "prior agreement."

You are making an inference based on evidence that isn't there.

He did not brag about committing sexual assault or rape.

Wow! That has to be a record for the lamest defense of a pervert a d rapist ever.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

How come Trump is even considered as part of the political scene at all, after his record in office and shenanigans since?
I would have thought a job as an inmate and prison toilet cleaner would be more appropriate.

 

[Subduction Zone]

How come Trump is even considered as part of the political scene at all, after his record in office and shenanigans since?
I would have thought a job as an inmate and prison toilet cleaner would be more appropriate.

Unfortunately Trump supporters are totally irrational. This thread demonstrates that. Also Trump supporters tend to be the louder more obnoxious Republicans. Instead of reasoning they try to bully their opponents and so far that has been working.

 

[SkepticThinker]

There are facts and there are things that you hear from the MSM. They are not the same thing.

If you want to pretend that facts aren't facts, there isn't much I can say except that you're wrong.

 

[SkepticThinker]

He bragged that women allowed/wanted him to do that. Big difference.

I do not believe that the 2020 Presidential Election was legitimate. Too much nonsense going on. Needed those audits.

I'd take a man who bragged about his consensual sexual exploits 25+ years ago over a dribbling buffoon who says racist things and leaves Americans to die now.

No he didn't.

"Yeah, that’s her. With the gold. I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know, I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything."

What he is describing there is a non-consensual advance on a woman.
It's his ridiculously arrogant opinion that "You can do anything" and they "let you do it." How many years later and he's got 20+ women claiming that he advanced on them without their consent.
Wake up dude.

Oh and if you're concerned about racism, supporting Trump seems awfully bizarre. That is, unless you're only concerned about racism when you think the guy you don't like is doing it.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I did not make anything up. Have you read the actual transcript of that conversation?

Trump was talking to Billy Bush - gross talk - and Trump tells Bush,

"And when you're a star they let you do it. You can do anything." (Bold and italics added)

Bush then said, "Whatever you want."

And Trump said, "Grab them by the *****. You can do anything."

trump grabbing comment - Bing

I never said that I liked Trump's comments - but he was not describing sexual assault or rape - but rather what women were willing to let him do because he was a "star".

No one ever said that it was moral.

I personally have never participated in "locker room talk". I have been with only one woman my entire life.

However - I know that men have these kinds of discussions - and these types of discussions should not invalidate someone's candidacy for President.

In fact - it doesn't. No where is a man's consensual sexual exploits mentioned in the requirements for being President.

If they were - most men couldn't ever run.

What audits are you talking about?

Those were hardly "court cases".

There were zero evidentiary hearings.

It was not a lie. Trump was describing consensual sexual relations.

I have no way of knowing if Trump did what these women claim - and until they can prove it - there is no reason to treat him any different.

I understand that there are people who believe that an accusation of sexual assault or rape is actual evidence of sexual assault or rape - but that is not how reality works - at least in the U.S.

It is innocent until proven guilty here.

I don't like Biden - not because he was accused of sexual assault and his VP pick claimed that she believed his accusers - but because he is incompetent.

I'll take a competent strong leader - who brags about his sex life - over an incompetent weak leader - who doesn't even know where he is half the time.

I'm glad that you are not enthused about Biden. There may be hope for you yet.

"After the election" is literally all time after the election - however I believe there is a statute of limitations on cases of defamation.

And Trump has been rather busy this last year - so he may just have run out of time. Shucks.

Okay. Believe what you want - but the country was running better under his leadership.

We don't look to Presidents for moral or spiritual guidance - we look to them to lead us.

Everything was better under Trump.

That is not normal "locker room" talk.
It's a guy talking about sexually assaulting women. That ain't normal.
Good to see where your morals lie though. Good to know.

 

[SkepticThinker]

That's strange considering that there is no time constraint.

You could respond at a better time - and put in more effort.

The context was consensual sexual relations.

They "let him" do what he wanted.

He was describing consensual sexual relations.

Yeah - all of these audits are still being scrutinized - both sides claim they prove what they want.

Besides - audits from only two States doesn't prove that Biden won the election.

This is exactly what I said - they were all thrown out - not a single evidentiary hearing.

Were these the women that Trump was referencing?

If they were - then he claims that their sexual relations were consensual.

They can claim otherwise all they want - but they have to prove it.

And while we wait for them to prove it - we can agree that Trump was describing consensual sexual relations.

He was bragging about consensual sexual relations - not sexual assault or rape.

No - I didn't - at all.

What I said was,

"I don't like Biden - not because he was accused of sexual assault and his VP pick claimed that she believed his accusers - but because he is incompetent."

I claimed that he was accused of sexual assault and that Kamala Harris claimed to believe his accusers.

I never claimed that he was guilty.

When did this happen?

You're kidding - right?

After Bush and Obama? Are you serious?

If Covid never happened - he would have been one of the lowest debt-increasing Presidents'

Which ones? Those that never paid their fair share or those that took advantage of us through trade?

Such as?

This is really funny coming from a liberal leftist.

Do you mean his exaggerations or his hyperbole?

I don't look to Biden for moral or spiritual guidance either - so I don't know what you are on about.

Biden is bad because he is a weak leader. Incompetent.

No - I would say it is because Republicans in Congress are weak and ineffectual.

Why even respond if you just planned on running away?

Gimme a break. That's what my rapist said when I took him to court. "She wanted it."

 

[SomeRandom]

How come Trump is even considered as part of the political scene at all, after his record in office and shenanigans since?
I would have thought a job as an inmate and prison toilet cleaner would be more appropriate.

There was a time I would have agreed with you. I mean US politics to me have always had a flair for the dramatic.
But the current climate of the American political scene, at least from the outside, looks rather like buffoonery to me. It’s like a soap opera, only somehow happening irl.

Granted our government is a circus too. But every time I see US adjacent news regarding some pundit or another, not just Trump I whip out the popcorn. It’s like a car crash I can’t look away from. I mean you really can’t make some of this stuff up.

 

[Fallen Prophet]

It should be pretty clear that Trump tried to overturn the 2020 election, which is enough to be considered "corrupt." He knew and knows full well there wasn't enough fraud to significantly alter the outcome, he just wanted to win.

Donald Trump's morals have never been in line with the American Ethos, which should have been clear even before he was elected.

"American Ethos" - whatever that is - is not a requirement for becoming President.

President Trump went through every possible legal channel he could to challenge the results of the 2020 election.

Hardly "corrupt".

And I am still convinced that the 2020 election was stolen through fraud. We need more audits.

 

[Fallen Prophet]

If you want to pretend that facts aren't facts, there isn't much I can say except that you're wrong.

Yet - you are the one blindly claiming that anything said by the "MSM" are "facts".

When was the last time you thought for yourself?

No he didn't.

"Yeah, that’s her. With the gold. I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know, I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything."

What he is describing there is a non-consensual advance on a woman.

I don't see it. Women are willing to do things with men that are "stars". This is reality.

It's his ridiculously arrogant opinion that "You can do anything" and they "let you do it."

I would say that it is more than an opinion.

How many years later and he's got 20+ women claiming that he advanced on them without their consent.

Yeah - the timing on that is staggering - isn't it?

They waited decades. Nothing suspicious about that.

Wake up dude.

Hi Kettle.

Oh and if you're concerned about racism, supporting Trump seems awfully bizarre. That is, unless you're only concerned about racism when you think the guy you don't like is doing it.

I never saw Trump do anything remotely racist.

That is not normal "locker room" talk.

I wouldn't know anything about :locker room" talk.

It's a guy talking about sexually assaulting women. That ain't normal.

I still don't see it.

I do see an arrogant "star" bragging abotu his sexual exploits - for sure - but nothing about sexual assault.

I mean - this recording has been around for decades - but it only gets attention when Trump was running for President?

You don't find that timing suspicious either?

Good to see where your morals lie though. Good to know.

I believe in not assuming the worst about people and due process of law.

The fact that you don't believe in either of these things speaks more about you than me.

Gimme a break. That's what my rapist said when I took him to court. "She wanted it."

True - but she still has to prove that she was raped.

Nothing in that transcript proved that Trump raped anyone.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

"American Ethos" - whatever that is - is not a requirement for becoming President.

"Ethos" refers to the moral character of a culture. While one may point out that money-grubbing and narcissism are part of the American Ethos and Trump displays these magnificently, I prefer to think of it as "liberty and justice for all."

And yes, that is a requirement since they have to take an oath to uphold the Constitution.

President Trump went through every possible legal channel he could to challenge the results of the 2020 election.

Hardly "corrupt".

And I am still convinced that the 2020 election was stolen through fraud. We need more audits.

Going through legal channels while knowing full well your claims are horse manure is still corruption, especially after these have been exhausted and no actual proof exists. It's a corruption of American institutions that should be favoring leaders more loyal to maintaining democracy than the acquisition of power.

 

[Aštra’el]

That is not normal "locker room" talk.

Yeah it is. We sing songs of our conquests often with great exaggeration, in attempt to one up each other and prove who had the most awesome weekend or whatever. Normal dude talk.

It's a guy talking about sexually assaulting women. That ain't normal.
Good to see where your morals lie though. Good to know.

And if a woman says she doesn’t even ask, she just grabs him by the junk and takes him into the other room to go drain his life force like some feral succubus, most dudes are not going to freak out about that.

When women gossip about how hung we all are, or who had the craziest time last night and whose man’s glutes look the best when they run, it isn’t too much different then the things we talk about. Perfectly normal. Like if Donald Trump declared to his bros that he flew away to Heaven with Melania in his arms to teach her the meaning of happiness, and she came back the most sexually satisfied woman the world has ever seen. There might be some exaggeration there but we get the point. Somebody had a really good time and is excited to share the tale with his friends.

 

[metis]

President Trump went through every possible legal channel he could to challenge the results of the 2020 election.

And he lost every single one, including from some justices he had appointed.

Hardly "corrupt".

When he set up an attempt to overthrow an election that even Republican SoS', as well as his own Attorney General Barr, said that there was no evidence of fraud enough to change the results, thus Trump's claim and actions is certainly "corruption" in spades. And if this wasn't the case, then why does he and his blind followers refuse to acknowlege Congress' constitutional right of "oversight"? Those disingenuous actions alone speak for themselves.

And I am still convinced that the 2020 election was stolen through fraud. We need more audits.

Every audit has turned up nothing to support his utterly dishonest and pathetic claim. Even months before the election he repeated his "mantra" that the only way he could lose was if there was fraud. Who the people out East well know as being a "con-man", Trump set all too many minds up so as to blindly accept the paradigm he created months before.

 

[Fallen Prophet]

"Ethos" refers to the moral character of a culture. While one may point out that money-grubbing and narcissism are part of the American Ethos and Trump displays these magnificently, I prefer to think of it as "liberty and justice for all."

So - you just proved that the idea of "American Ethos" is completely ambiguous and arbitrary - and has no place in deciding who should be President.

And yes, that is a requirement since they have to take an oath to uphold the Constitution.

A sitting President can uphold the Constitution while still being a scumbag personally.

There is no "ambiguous moral test" for deciding who is to be President.

You are making stuff up just because you didn't like Trump.

Going through legal channels while knowing full well your claims are horse manure is still corruption

No - it is not. Not at all.

And you don't know that there was no fraud - because the evidence was never examined in court.

Zero evidentiary hearings.

Besides - even if Trump were wrong - he could still have still believed that he was right and he would have the right to ask the courts to examine the evidence.

You are coming to conclusions and passing judgment before the trial even begins.

Are you also one of those "believe all women" people who don't believe in due process?

especially after these have been exhausted and no actual proof exists.

What? Did you never see the videos of Republican ballot watchers being forced out? Of ballots being counted with no one watching? With ballot counters filling out mail-in ballots? Of ballot counters covering up windows so now one could watch them? of ballots being counted when they claimed that they were closed? of hidden boxes filled with ballots being taken out and counted after ballot watchers left? of boxes being admitted into counting areas without being checked?

That's not even to mention the ballots that went missing and the various changes to election laws made by all these problem States right before the election.

And how the voting machines were connected to the internet!

There are so many anomalies and statistical improbabilities that I am convinced that serious s**t went down that demands investigation.

It's a corruption of American institutions that should be favoring leaders more loyal to maintaining democracy than the acquisition of power.

This is L-O-L funny considering who is in power now and what they do to maintain it.

O-M-G this is funny.

 

[Fallen Prophet]

And he lost every single one, including from some justices he had appointed.

Irrelevant. OJ got away with murder.

When he set up an attempt to overthrow an election that even Republican SoS', as well as his own Attorney General Barr, said that there was no evidence of fraud enough to change the results, thus Trump's claim and actions is certainly "corruption" in spades.

I don't think you know what the definition of the word "overthrow" is.

Him going to the courts is not "overthrowing" anything.

Anyone can disagree with anyone else and not be "corrupt".

There was enough evidence to warrant audits - and the recent audit in Nevada showed a bunch of illegal ballots counted. Enough to swing that State.

It's hard to get enough evidence when you are denied the opportunity to investigate - which is the process of acquiring evidence.

And if this wasn't the case, then why does he and his blind followers refuse to acknowlege Congress' constitutional right of "oversight"? Those disingenuous actions alone speak for themselves.

We don't believe in checks and balances? Since when?

Every audit has turned up nothing to support his utterly dishonest and pathetic claim.

That's not true.

Even months before the election he repeated his "mantra" that the only way he could lose was if there was fraud.

Yes - what's wrong with that?

And honestly - how could he not believe that?

With all the States changing their elections laws and all the push for mail-in voting and big tech claiming that no one could declare victory without being silenced?

When the establishment is against you - there is nothing wrong with exposing their underhanded tactics.

Who the people out East well know as being a "con-man", Trump set all too many minds up so as to blindly accept the paradigm he created months before.

Everything they threw at him never stuck. Two impeachments - no results.

No one could ever prove that he broke any laws - but they kept at it because the media lied for four years.

The fact that you called his going to court over the election results - which he has every right to do - an attempt to "overthrow" anything is proof that you don't think for yourself.

You are just regurgitating what the MSM says.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That's not true.

Really? Then provide some valid evidence that there was any significant cheating for Biden. I can show insignificant cheating for Trump. But it takes more than bit of a husband voting for a dead wife or a son voting for his father to change the results of the election.