Truth in reincarnation

[Ori]

Rebirth of the soul in new flesh is not a new concept, nor is it mutually exclusive to Hinduism and Buddhism. For in Judaism, "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations."

Even Jesus offers proff for reincarnation - The disciples asked him, "Why then do the teachers of the law say that Elijah must come first?" Jesus replied, "To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore all things. But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands."

So is rebirth something we have all and will always undergo, until the raising of all on judgement day?

 

[michel]

Rebirth of the soul in new flesh is not a new concept, nor is it mutually exclusive to Hinduism and Buddhism. For in Judaism, "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations."

Even Jesus offers proff for reincarnation - The disciples asked him, "Why then do the teachers of the law say that Elijah must come first?" Jesus replied, "To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore all things. But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands."

So is rebirth something we have all and will always undergo, until the raising of all on judgement day?

As far as I am concerned, yes. But judgement day may well be your individual 'exam results' on your achievement towards enlightenment, and also on your ability to avoid sin.

 

[cardero]

Rebirth of the soul in new flesh is not a new concept, nor is it mutually exclusive to Hinduism and Buddhism. For in Judaism, "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations."

Even Jesus offers proff for reincarnation - The disciples asked him, "Why then do the teachers of the law say that Elijah must come first?" Jesus replied, "To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore all things. But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands."

So is rebirth something we have all and will always undergo, until the raising of all on judgement day?

No. Only if you desire the choice to reincarnate. You also have the choice to reincarnate into any vessel that can contain a life force. It is not predetermined by another entity nor is it based on a point system or the amont of karma accumulated.

 

[EnhancedSpirit]

No. Only if you desire the choice to reincarnate. You also have the choice to reincarnate into any vessel that can contain a life force. It is not predetermined by another entity nor is it based on a point system or the amont of karma accumulated.

I agree with carrdero on this one

 

[michel]

I agree with carrdero on this one

You believe that we chose our own 'tests' ? - I always looked upon that stage as one later in our stages of development...........

 

[Scott1]

Even Jesus offers proff for reincarnation -

Ummmm... I'm not sure how you've come to the conclusion that this passage refers to reincarnation, but I can tell you that reincarnation is a concept foreign to the Christian faith.

With reincarnation, there would be no reason for Christ to die for our sins.... what would have been the point of that if we don't face judgement, but are reborn into another body?

Maybe I am missing something with my lack of understanding about reincarnation... care to clue me in?

Scott

 

[Ori]

Ummmm... I'm not sure how you've come to the conclusion that this passage refers to reincarnation, but I can tell you that reincarnation is a concept foreign to the Christian faith.

With reincarnation, there would be no reason for Christ to die for our sins.... what would have been the point of that if we don't face judgement, but are reborn into another body?

Maybe I am missing something with my lack of understanding about reincarnation... care to clue me in?

Scott

Hopefully I can try and show you what I mean .
"No one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again";
"the wheel of nature";
"The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. Whoever has will be given more, and he will have an abundance."
"For all the prophets and the law have prophesied until John. And if you are willing to receive it, he is Elijah who was to come"
"And he [John the Baptist] will go on before the Lord, in the spirit and power of Elijah."

 

[Ori]

"And they will serve Jhvh their God and David their king whom I shall reawaken for them."

 

[Scott1]

You are free to believe whatever you like, of course... but none of these verses have anything to do with reincarnation.... at least for the last 2,000 years or so of Christian history.

.... but you missed the main point.... the concept is CONTRARY to the basic premise of Christianity as it has been practiced for nearly two thousand years... the Christian Creed - the profession of our faith in God, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, and in God's creative, saving, and sanctifying action - culminates in the proclamation of the resurrection of the dead on the last day and in life everlasting. Belief in the resurrection of the dead has been an essential element of the Christian faith from its beginnings. "The confidence of Christians is the resurrection of the dead; believing this we live."(Tertullian, De res. 1,1L 2,841---written about the year 200)

Scott

 

[Neo-Logic]

Last summer, I went to a Buddhist Religious Teachings School for a week. During which we learned about Buddha's life and the workings as well as the principles of Buddhism. I went there to see if anything said there would affirm my faith in Buddhism, but it didn't work. I'll probably go there again this summer, just to give it another chance.

Well the point is, while I was there, we leared about reincarnation. I remember later the same day, we were reading about how Buddha performed the Twin Miracle in which he shot fire out of his ears and nose from half of his body and water from the other half to prove to the people that he was in deed a Buddha. Later on we read about flying monks. My question is, how can the Athiests and Agnostics not be skeptical?

 

[michel]

Last summer, I went to a Buddhist Religious Teachings School for a week. During which we learned about Buddha's life and the workings as well as the principles of Buddhism. I went there to see if anything said there would affirm my faith in Buddhism, but it didn't work. I'll probably go there again this summer, just to give it another chance.

Well the point is, while I was there, we leared about reincarnation. I remember later the same day, we were reading about how Buddha performed the Twin Miracle in which he shot fire out of his ears and nose from half of his body and water from the other half to prove to the people that he was in deed a Buddha. Later on we read about flying monks. My question is, how can the Athiests and Agnostics not be skeptical?

You have to have an open mind, and be prepared to have faith in your own gut feeling about anything tied to religon - you can't try to 'work out' which one sounds more logical - you've got to listen to your heart. Religion is about pure Love.

 

[cardero]

I think reincarnation depends on what experience you would like to indulge in, with how much time you woud like to spend on the physical plane and what you would like to accomplish.

 

[Scuba Pete]

Scott is wise here.

A spiritual re-birth is not a physical re-incarnation.

Hebrews 9:27 Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, 28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him. NIV

 

[anders]

The day any of you finds two experts, or even any two persons, agreeing on the workings of reincarnation/rebirth, I might consider it a viable hypothesis. Until then I feel quite safe disbelieving. Views on metempsychosis in various religions would, however, be an immesively intereseting subject to pursue to higher academic levels.

For anybody wanting to dive in, I'd recommend L. de la Vallée Poussin: Nirvana, Rune E.A. Johansson: The psychology of Nirvana and Th. Stcherbatsky: The soul theory of the Buddhists for starters.

Then, please be back for some fun.

 

[Scuba Pete]

Frubals on your head Anders.

 

[Ram_Dev78]

Basically its a simple science abt Re-incarnation. A person lives only as a soul. An animal is not consiouss of its self, Show an animal to a mirror it will not identify itself. While a Human knows him/her self. This alone shows that we as humans are not the body. The body is made of all the elements of the earth. In christianity it suggest that you are born from the earth thus you shall return to the earth. Our body is the one that grows old and die, not the Soul. The soul at first were all part of god, who later had desires. God is love, and therefore out of love for his devoted souls he granted bodys for this souls to live in, therefore achieve whatever desires they might have. But in the end, a soul must act to get back to godhead, and that is by self realisation. To know that you are not the body but you are part of god.

Christ died for our sins, but he wasnt afraid because he knew he would live again to teach his disciples by the will of god. And he knew all the people that cursed him would surely pay for their evil deeds by the law of nature. A body is made thru all kinds of change, from young to old. Death is not a stop. Its just the very beginning of life. Baby-->Child-->Teenager-->Adult-->Old age-->Death-->Baby again, and so forth. Death is aprocess of life but it is painfull that one forgets the past during this process.

 

[Engyo]

Rebirth of the soul in new flesh is not a new concept, nor is it mutually exclusive to Hinduism and Buddhism.

Buddhist rebirth, which is different from reincarnation, is not about a "soul in new flesh". Buddhism does not recognize an eternally existing soul. An individual is not reincarnated as such. Rebirth is just that; a new life, a new individual, a new combination of the five aggregates [Form, Conciousness, Sensation, Perception, Volition].

(http://www.buddhanet.net/funbud14.htm for more)

 

[joeboonda]

You really want to come back HERE again??? No thank you. The Bible states, it is appointed for a man to die once and after that the Judgement. Now if Jesus said Elijah, or Moses were to be sent back again like the 2 prophets spoken of in Revelation, etc. He can do that, but that is NOT reincarnation. Do not be fooled, we have one life and one chance to accept Christ as Saviour, or to spend eternity in Hell, and as bad as that sounds, I didn't make it up, Jesus warned us of it, the Bible declares it, and that is my authority.