Truth

[Francine]

Ideas which work consistently can be used to make correct predictions, and we say they are true. Truth is the way things are. The truth of an assertion does not rest on the asserter's goodness, but it is incumbent upon the asserter to make his case, not the skeptic to falsify the case. If the asserter tries to use his desired outcome as a premise, he hasn't made his case. The number of people who believe in something has nothing to do with its truth value. It is not valid to plea, "Einstein was a genius and he believed in God," and if you ask, "have you stopped beating your wife?" you are really asking two questions. General rules cannot always be validly applied to specific cases, and a few specific cases cannot be used to form a general rule. Events which occur together in time (like taking an aspirin, praying to God, and being relieved of a headache) may not all be causally related.

 

[Willamena]

Is there something in the post that you wanted to discuss about truth, Fracine?

 

[Francine]

Is there something in the post that you wanted to discuss about truth, Fracine?

Pilate asked Jesus "What is truth?" and got silence in reply. Christians believe Jesus is the truth and the life and the way, but that comes across as a sound bite. So I'm interested in what truth is. That's my short answer: Truth is the way things are.

 

[Willamena]

Truth is the way things are.

I think that's the best sound bite of all.

Of course, there are a number of different contexts to examine it in, and a number of difference perspectives and paradigms by which to understand it. Still, that about says it.

 

[harleydavidson]

to francine,,hi good topic ,,but a tough one. You say truth is the way things are,and thats true ,pun intended. I was always told in philosophy class truth is the conformity of the mind to reality. The whole problem here ,is how do we know when we have reached this in view of the epistemological problem?...............harley dav.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

I was always told in philosophy class truth is the conformity of the mind to reality. The whole problem here ,is how do we know when we have reached this in view of the epistemological problem?...............harley dav.

We know it because it is experienced.

 

[McBell]

We know it because it is experienced.

Would that mean that a hallucination that is experienced is truth?

 

[Willamena]

Would that mean that a hallucination that is experienced is truth?

Is it truly a hallucination? How do you know?*

(*the epitomal epistomological question)

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Would that mean that a hallucination that is experienced is truth?

Yes. As a hallucination.

 

[Don Penguinoini]

Francine, the way things are? People are killign each other and thats good. Just because that is the way it is, doesent make it the truth.

 

[Willamena]

Francine, the way things are? People are killign each other and thats good. Just because that is the way it is, doesent make it the truth.

Why is it good?

 

[Don Penguinoini]

Why is it good?

It isnt, just for the sake of arguement.

Or maybe this is a more satisying answer?...

Some twisted freak thinks it gets them god.

 

[Willamena]

It isnt, just for the sake of arguement.

So it's not really the way it is, and it's not representative of the truth. I'm good with that.

It's much easier to discuss truth by engaging it.

Or maybe this is a more satisying answer?...

Some twisted freak thinks it gets them god.

Is it true that it gets them god? If not, could it be perhaps because you have another method of getting god?

 

[Don Penguinoini]

So it's not really the way it is, and it's not representative of the truth. I'm good with that.

It's much easier to discuss truth by engaging it.


Is it true that it gets them god? If not, could it be perhaps because you have another method of getting god?

Well as i said it is for the sake of arguement, let me continue....

By killing these souls, they are liberating them from human life, so for that, they attain heaven since god needed servants in heaven... Or sumin like that.

 

[Willamena]

Well as i said it is for the sake of arguement, let me continue....

By killing these souls, they are liberating them from human life, so for that, they attain heaven since god needed servants in heaven... Or sumin like that.

Is it true that they're doing that? And if "no," then how do you know?

The "way it is" isn't made-up about someone else's perspective.

 

[Don Penguinoini]

Is it true that they're doing that? And if "no," then how do you know?

The "way it is" isn't made-up about someone else's perspective.

Will, you know im 13, right? Im not too sure what you mean here.

 

[harleydavidson]

to guitarcry ,,,hi re. your post of today ,,see Mystemias reply of today ,,it's perfect,if you say we wld know truth because we experience the moment ,,we have arrived simply at a subjective moment ,and that tells you nothing. I hate to name drop ,but Descartes sez it all in his" Discourse on Method",,the senses are not to be trusted. The senses lie to us ,they mislead us and they can not be used to verify themselves. So we may be stuck in "Never Neber Land"...........harley davidson

 

[Guitar's Cry]

to guitarcry ,,,hi re. your post of today ,,see Mystemias reply of today ,,it's perfect,if you say we wld know truth because we experience the moment ,,we have arrived simply at a subjective moment ,and that tells you nothing. I hate to name drop ,but Descartes sez it all in his" Discourse on Method",,the senses are not to be trusted. The senses lie to us ,they mislead us and they can not be used to verify themselves. So we may be stuck in "Never Neber Land"...........harley davidson

Ah...but the hallucination still exists, doesn't it? The truth of the hallucination is still a truth. It exists in the same reality as "Descartes" and "Peter Pan."

 

[Sunstone]

Pilate asked Jesus "What is truth?" and got silence in reply. Christians believe Jesus is the truth and the life and the way, but that comes across as a sound bite. So I'm interested in what truth is. That's my short answer: Truth is the way things are.

Facts are the way things are. Truth is a property of the relationship between a proposition and what it refers to. Consider a map. The map is said to be true in so far as it has a certain kind of relationship to the terrain it refers to. That relationship consists in whether it predicts the terrain it refers to or not. To the extent it accurately predicts the terrain it refers to, the map is said to be true. Just my hunch.

 

[McBell]

Ah...but the hallucination still exists, doesn't it? The truth of the hallucination is still a truth. It exists in the same reality as "Descartes" and "Peter Pan."

So everything is a truth then?