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Try to prove to me your religion.

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frankyplaut

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Carlita said:
There's going to be a big problem if people reply. One, what is your definition of true? What is true for me maybe different than what is true for you, but by what means do you differienate what is true and what is a belief on both of our parts?

Then you have many different faiths not just abrahamic. Some of them are naturalistic, some atheist, etc. So those religions may seem true while someone else has a very good argument that god is the true because logically, from their point of view he is the first cause. Is it true? I dont know. I dont believe in it but it is logical from their view.

So, you have to kinda give us what you believe is true (what are the qualifications), that, or I dont know if many people will answer given what is true is not subjective, it is objective on the sides of both parties views.
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What is your definition of true? truth has always been fabricated by mankind in order for personal gain and us humans are the ones with a varying set of beliefs. Religion is not something you prove. It is impossible to and no one has the answer to religion. People will hold on to notions they find ideal.
Taylor Seraphim said:
Please try to prove to me your religion is true.
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Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
In short, I'm asking the OP....true according to whose terms his (the OP) or the person he is asking?

If it is his, he will be disappointed. Each of us have our own qualifications and definitions of how we define what is true and waht is not. If it doesn't agree with the OP, there is nothing we can do about it.

If it is ours, he would have to hear us out. If he wants us to prove our religion to him, he can't use his definition of truth but ours since it is our religion not his.

My definition of truth differs from the OP. Whether or not he accepts it as what I believe or not is on him. There is nothing really deep about it but respect and accepting different answers that may differ than his. (The OP)

My definition of truth has nothing to do with this.

frankyplaut said:
What is your definition of true? truth has always been fabricated by mankind in order for personal gain and us humans are the ones with a varying set of beliefs.

Religion is not something you prove. It is impossible to and no one has the answer to religion. People will hold on to notions they find ideal.
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The last part, yes; and, what is wrong with that?
 
Unification

Unification

Well-Known Member
Carlita said:
There's going to be a big problem if people reply. One, what is your definition of true? What is true for me maybe different than what is true for you, but by what means do you differienate what is true and what is a belief on both of our parts?

Then you have many different faiths not just abrahamic. Some of them are naturalistic, some atheist, etc. So those religions may seem true while someone else has a very good argument that god is the true because logically, from their point of view he is the first cause. Is it true? I dont know. I dont believe in it but it is logical from their view.

So, you have to kinda give us what you believe is true (what are the qualifications), that, or I dont know if many people will answer given what is true is not subjective, it is objective on the sides of both parties views.
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I'm also thinking, what is the definition of "religion?"

The origin of the word originally meant "to bind," or "reverence." In which case, every human being is bound to something or has reverence toward something.

By its original definition, a religion to someone can be science as one is bound to science and has reverence towards science.
 
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frankyplaut

New Member
Carlita said:
In short, I'm asking the OP....true according to whose terms his (the OP) or the person he is asking?

If it is his, he will be disappointed. Each of us have our own qualifications and definitions of how we define what is true and waht is not. If it doesn't agree with the OP, there is nothing we can do about it.

If it is ours, he would have to hear us out. If he wants us to prove our religion to him, he can't use his definition of truth but ours since it is our religion not his.

My definition of truth differs from the OP. Whether or not he accepts it as what I believe or not is on him. There is nothing really deep about it but respect and accepting different answers that may differ than his. (The OP)

My definition of truth has nothing to do with this.



The last part, yes; and, what is wrong with that?
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Nothing, it's just how I see it I have my beliefs too I would not impose them on others. I just think Religion should not be used to propagandize war I am pantheist druid the God I believe in is the combined consciousness of all things physical and spiritual is not presently active in the universe I don't believe there is a diabolical force tempting us to do evil either I believe our intentions often misguided can be selfish and lead us to face consequences we make for ourselves and that the consequence can come immediately or in due time.
I am not trying to take away a God from Satan worshipers I am just proclaiming my beliefs I see nothing wrong with having beliefs and notions I know what I said sounded anti religion that wasn't my point is was simply to point out we as a species fight over truth when we may not know what it is[emoji72] [emoji49] [emoji120]
 
Scuba Pete

Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
frankyplaut said:
N I just think Religion should not be used to propagandize war
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While I don't see the logic in much of what you wrote, Frubals on you for this lucid insight. Man uses many things to justify his aggression and religion should not be one of them. War should be immoral no matter what you believe.
 
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rgrayberg

New Member
Taylor Seraphim said:
Simply observing that we are a consciousness and that matter is eternal (being a from of energy) Is simply a scientific fact that has nothing to do with religion.
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But maybe it does. Who says that religion is separated from science? If you look deeply into the major religions you will find many similarities, with a connection to what we call "science."
 
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rgrayberg

New Member
Taylor Seraphim said:
I am asking for what X (religion) equals and am asking people to find a logical equation.

No it is not up to me to decide what is fact or not.

Truth is objective, reality is objective.
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I disagree. Truth is relative and therefore subjective. So what you are asking for a) does not exist or b) exists differently for different people. Your view of "objective" is coming from your own perspective alone.
 
prometheus11

prometheus11

Well-Known Member
rgrayberg said:
I disagree. Truth is relative and therefore subjective. So what you are asking for a) does not exist or b) exists differently for different people. Your view of "objective" is coming from your own perspective alone.
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And if you were convinced that a falsehood was truth, and believed it true, and nothing was much "truer," who is defining what is true? You, right?

All information is processed by the brain. You create reality for yourself in that dark space full of neurons and electricity. Thus, YOU define truth. For all existence. In your world in your head. The only reality you have.
 
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