Try to prove to me your religion.

[1137]

The human psyche is something that is unlikely to have arisen naturally, therefore needing the help of some sort of higher being or force. On one hand, the psyche is capable of understanding and even going against nature, something that hasn't arisen naturally anywhere else, and brings the question of how nature could create something separate from itself. On the other hand, the psyche arose so fast and almost randomly, 150,000 years after humans had already evolved as a species, suggesting that twas introduced by something else.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

Hi Taylor,

Then what do you think is the credible source?

How about the history aside the Bible? Do you think that God would not allow His words to propagate?

Thanks

An event is historically credible when several reputable first hand sources record it.

Seeing as if "God" exists he refuses to give skeptics clear evidence then he does not want his word to propagate.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

Spiritually yes. Physically not. Man can compete with others about their riches and fame. In spiritual is totally different for there is a God who could depend on because of their relationship with Him.

Thanks

so you are quoting that "god" bestowing luck upon believers is evidence then say it is on spiritually (which would be difficult or impossible to measure).

So I ask you: Is morality reliant upon spirituality.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

The human psyche is something that is unlikely to have arisen naturally, therefore needing the help of some sort of higher being or force. On one hand, the psyche is capable of understanding and even going against nature, something that hasn't arisen naturally anywhere else, and brings the question of how nature could create something separate from itself. On the other hand, the psyche arose so fast and almost randomly, 150,000 years after humans had already evolved as a species, suggesting that twas introduced by something else.

Incorrect the evolution of the brain stem to the frontal lobe can be explained concisely by science.

No it cannot go against nature, because everything that exists is nature including us.

Wrong the psyche exists in primitive forms among many animals.

 

[1137]

Incorrect the evolution of the brain stem to the frontal lobe can be explained concisely by science.

Yes but this doesn't explain the psyche. In fact, many animals have or have had frontal lobe, some more complex than ours, but no psyche.

No it cannot go against nature, because everything that exists is nature including us.

It goes against nature in that the psyche can act in ways which would never occur were the psyche nonexistent. Depression would end in sadness and suicide, sickness would end in death, there would be no language, no science, etc without the psyche. These require the psyche to exist.

Wrong the psyche exists in primitive forms among many animals.

Animals may have varying degrees of cognition, but no known species has a similar isolate intelligence.

 

[Milton Platt]

The reason that there is something, rather than nothing, is called God.
Tom

Why???

 

[Milton Platt]

Jesus is the "Word" of God, which in the original language means that he spoke for God. But any word that came from God, whether from his prophets or from his son was committed to writing...so the Bible is also the "word" of God. Holy spirit directed the writing and the preservation of God's word. Without it we would not know what Christ taught.

So the only way this god could tell people what he wanted or needed (how can a perfect being want or need anything?) was to use imperfect human language that was passed along verbally, then written down, copied multiple times by hand, translated into another language, copied some more, and we end up with a small fraction of the total number of stories in a "Bible" and have no idea what the original said or who the actual authors were?

 

[Milton Platt]

Jesus is the "Word" of God, which in the original language means that he spoke for God. But any word that came from God, whether from his prophets or from his son was committed to writing...so the Bible is also the "word" of God. Holy spirit directed the writing and the preservation of God's word. Without it we would not know what Christ taught.

How can you possible demonstrate that any of that is true?

 

[1137]

Incorrect the evolution of the brain stem to the frontal lobe can be explained concisely by science.

Further, the human brain as we know it has existed for hundreds of thousands of years, whereas the human psyche has existed for less than 100,000 years.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

Yes but this doesn't explain the psyche. In fact, many animals have or have had frontal lobe, some more complex than ours, but no psyche.



It goes against nature in that the psyche can act in ways which would never occur were the psyche nonexistent. Depression would end in sadness and suicide, sickness would end in death, there would be no language, no science, etc without the psyche. These require the psyche to exist.



Animals may have varying degrees of cognition, but no known species has a similar isolate intelligence.

Do you know why?

Because psyche is defined as the human mind or soul.

Actually depression is a combination of mental and emotional facets.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

Further, the human brain as we know it has existed for hundreds of thousands of years, whereas the human psyche has existed for less than 100,000 years.

Evidence please?

 

[Deeje]

How can you possible demonstrate that any of that is true?

To a believer, no proof is necessary....to an unbeliever, no proof is enough.
We believers have nothing to prove to anyone. We accept what is written as the word of God. If you don't then there is not much more to say.

We just know that what we believe is true.....what do you know? How do you prove what you believe is true?
You have to "believe" what others tell you about how the world and everything in it came to be.
No human was there to witness any of it, so it becomes a matter of who you believe and why. I have explored the evolutionary theory and find it about as fanciful as atheists find the Bible's account. So take your pick.....one belief system offers a wonderful hope for the future and the other has nothing but more of the same. Do you trust human beings not to completely obliterate all life on this planet? I don't.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

To a believer, no proof is necessary....to an unbeliever, no proof is enough.
We believers have nothing to prove to anyone. We accept what is written as the word of God. If you don't then there is not much more to say.

So you believe it because you want to?

 

[Deeje]

So you believe it because you want to?

No...it has nothing to do with what I want per se...though it offers something that I think all humans inherently desire...everlasting life in the most perfect conditions...no war, no crime, no poverty, no pain, no suffering, no disability, no death. I don't think that it is just a co-incidence that humans find that idea appealing. I guess it has something to do with how we are naturally designed to perceive things collectively rather than just individually. We all seem to have the same appreciation for things we consider "beautiful"...an amazing sunset....a beautiful seascape or landscape....animals grazing in a green field...a walk in a majestic forest...snow-capped mountains...these are not something we appreciate with just our eyes...it goes way deeper than that to a part of us that is in touch with the Creator. It moves us to want to thank him because it is so spiritual.

I have never been an atheist so I don't know what touches an unbelieving soul. or even if they are touched at all?

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

No...it has nothing to do with what I want per se...though it offers something that I think all humans inherently desire...everlasting life in the most perfect conditions...no war, no crime, no poverty, no pain, no suffering, no disability, no death. I don't think that it is just a co-incidence that humans find that idea appealing. I guess it has something to do with how we are naturally designed to perceive things collectively rather than just individually. We all seem to have the same appreciation for things we consider "beautiful"...an amazing sunset....a beautiful seascape or landscape....animals grazing in a green field...a walk in a majestic forest...snow-capped mountains...these are not something we appreciate with just our eyes...it goes way deeper than that to a part of us that is in touch with the Creator. It moves us to want to thank him because it is so spiritual.

I have never been an atheist so I don't know what touches an unbelieving soul. or even if they are touched at all?

Precisely, humans find the idea appealing so they want to make it real thus forming many religions.

The same thing that touches yours, nothing as we have no soul to touch.

 

[Deeje]

Precisely, humans find the idea appealing so they want to make it real thus forming many religions.

The same thing that touches yours, nothing as we have no soul to touch.

I'm more about finding out why we find the idea appealing in the first place. This happens collectively no matter what country we live in...there is this expectation among all of us that life should be a whole lot better than the one we are forced to live at present.

Your response sounds so empty and sad. I could not live a hopeless life. I despise the wickedness I see in humanity and value the goodness and unselfishness I see those who shun it.
This life is about making decisions about the future because its all we have. The past is gone and the present will be over in a minute....all we have to look forward to is tomorrow.
If I thought for one moment that this poor excuse for an existence was what God planned for us then I think I would have no reason to live.....there is no tomorrow worth looking forward to.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

I'm more about finding out why we find the idea appealing in the first place. This happens collectively no matter what country we live in...there is this expectation among all of us that life should be a whole lot better than the one we are forced to live at present.

Your response sounds so empty and sad. I could not live a hopeless life. I despise the wickedness I see in humanity and value the goodness and unselfishness I see those who shun it.
This life is about making decisions about the future because its all we have. The past is gone and the present will be over in a minute....all we have to look forward to is tomorrow.
If I thought for one moment that this poor excuse for an existence was what God planned for us then I think I would have no reason to live.....there is no tomorrow worth looking forward to.

Because they are answers to common fears among humans, some of the corresponding fears are present in other animals as well.

Sounds like to me you are upset that the life is fleeting and turned to religion as an escape.

Also I wish to eliminate the wickedness in humanity and religion can often cause wickedness.

 

[JustWondering]

I have never been an atheist so I don't know what touches an unbelieving soul. or even if they are touched at all?

The same exact things that emotionally move those that believe in invisible supernatural beings move atheists as well. It's that simple. We're just like you minus the belief in unsubstantiated claims about the supernatural.

 

[Deeje]

Because they are answers to common fears among humans, some of the corresponding fears are present in other animals as well.

I have to disagree with that. Animals have no way to contemplate their future, which includes their own death. They have fight or flight instincts but do not cognitively plan for the future. Squirrels do not know why they collect acorns for the winter.

Animals satisfy hunger, thirst and sexual instincts driven by the workings of their body, not their minds.
The common fears among mankind are mainly fear of death, fear of losing a loved one, becoming incapacitated, making a living, finding a compatible mate, finding a house that will be affordable. Having adequate transport.....these are not things animals even think about....instinct drives them to feed and procreate....there is little else on their minds.

Sounds like to me you are upset that the life is fleeting and turned to religion as an escape.

No, it isn't like that at all. Religion to me is not a crutch like a drug to get me through the day. My faith is part of who I am and have always been. I am a spiritual being and spirituality to me is like a muscle in my body....if you don't exercise it, it withers and loses strength until it becomes useless. My spiritual muscle became weak at one point in my life....I felt dead inside. Not until I began to use that muscle again did I feel like a whole person.

Also I wish to eliminate the wickedness in humanity and religion can often cause wickedness.

I totally agree. But just because some religions are promoting wickedness, doesn't mean that all religion is wrong. There was no religion in the garden of Eden. Humans created religion.
God made us to be like him...spiritual and with moral qualities. Animals are not created like us. We are unique...made in the image of our Creator so we have the capacity for good in us...if only we would obey him instead of relying on ourselves to make decisions

If human beings implemented just one rule from the Bible, the world would be a very different place...."do to others what you would have others do to you"...Imagine?

 

[JustWondering]

God made us to be like him...spiritual and with moral qualities.

If you are talking about the god of the bible than we should all be narcissistic ego maniacs who resort to violence and threats of torture if people don't do what we want them to. Personally, I think most of humanity is better than the god depicted in the bible.