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Try to prove to me your religion.

Jabar

Jabar

“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.”
Paul Chavez said:
Actually the quran borrows from the apocrypha. These are scriptures that were written well after christ death. So if we obtained these stories after christ death or what you believe his ascension to heaven, how can those books be inspired? A man wrote the apocrypha after christ death.
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Haha, you make these false accusations. Qur'an never borrowed the apocrypha.

The Old Testaments that had the same beliefs as the Qur'an were right, however were not as complete as the Qur'an.

Qur'an is the last revelation for people who associated God with Jesus. It is the complete book.

Christ was never crucified if that is what you believe.

It was written after because it is the last revelation for all mankind. Bible was only for the people in a particular time period and people associated Jesus with God, the Bible contains partial word of God, i do not mean the tampered Bible but the Old Testaments. And contained prophet words, historians, and i am sorry but also contains pornography.

Qur'an is the last and final revelation of the truth. It is the Furqan, the criteria to judge right from wrong.
 
Jabar

Jabar

“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.”
EtuMalku said:
Of course it is . . . the monotheistic concept was first developed by Judaism, then Christianity, and finally Islam. The coming of Islam takes place in the 7th century AD.
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Islam existed time immemorial! The beliefs changed as prophets came along. Islam was when man first set foot on earth. Christianity, and Judiasm are tampered religious beliefs scripturally.
 
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anonymous9887

bible reader
Jabar said:
Haha, you make these false accusations. Qur'an never borrowed the apocrypha.

The Old Testaments that had the same beliefs as the Qur'an were right, however were not as complete as the Qur'an.

Qur'an is the last revelation for people who associated God with Jesus. It is the complete book.

Christ was never crucified if that is what you believe.

It was written after because it is the last revelation for all mankind. Bible was only for the people in a particular time period and people associated Jesus with God, the Bible contains partial word of God, i do not mean the tampered Bible but the Old Testaments. And contained prophet words, historians, and i am sorry but also contains pornography.

Qur'an is the last and final revelation of the truth. It is the Furqan, the criteria to judge right from wrong.
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Actually yes its a fact that the Qur'an borrows from the book of thomas. The Qur'an copies the story of cain and abel, the story of solomon, Jesus speaking from the cradle, these were found in the apocrypha first.
 
Taylor Seraphim

Taylor Seraphim

Angel of Reason
Jabar said:
And it is We Who have constructed the heaven with might, and verily, it is We Who are steadily expanding it. (Qur'an, 51:47)

The discovery of the universe expanding has been found in modern times. In 1929, Edwin Hubble, an astronomer at Caltech, made a critical discovery that soon led to scientific answers for these questions: he discovered that the universe is expanding.
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Not evidence, several other books make similar claims.

Also that would require us to ignore all of the things the qurn got wrong.

Want to try again?
 
Jabar

Jabar

“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.”
Paul Chavez said:
Actually yes its a fact that the Qur'an borrows from the book of thomas. The Qur'an copies the story of cain and abel, the story of solomon, Jesus speaking from the cradle, these were found in the apocrypha first.
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The Qur'an never copied anything. It is divine, parts of the Bible are divine which is why they are similar to the Qur'an in a way. The Qur'an is the last revelation for mankind. Since people associate Jesus with God. The TRUE Christians were Muslims, Muslims and Christians are just names identified modernly because of the tampering of the Bible and how it is corrupted. Originally, Christians believed the same as Muslims did which was belief in One God and there were prophets plus do righteous deeds.

People made misconceptions and thought Jesus as God. So, essentially the Biblical scriptures are corrupted.

Islam existed when man set foot on earth. The beliefs were different in the past. They believed there is One God Allah as the TRUE Christians originally did. They also did righteous deeds, and followed the footsteps of prophets.

The tampering and misconceptions caused people to believe differently than the beliefs of Islam. There is only one REAL monotheistic religion, which is Islam which of course diversified. Other beliefs have been tampered by people.

Polytheistic beliefs are human made as well as idol worshipers.
 
Jabar

Jabar

“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.”
Taylor Seraphim said:
Incorrect, archaeologically there is nothing to suggest the first humans where monotheistic to a male deity.
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Are you kidding me? You see you deny my evidence. There was nobody who knew that information at that time, besides show me a scripture which states that before its discovery.
 
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anonymous9887

bible reader
Jabar said:
Islam existed time immemorial! The beliefs changed as prophets came along. Islam was when man first set foot on earth. Christianity, and Judiasm are tampered religious beliefs scripturally.
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There I new scholarly research that the Qur'an is not without corruption you may want to watch on you tube
Shabbir alley vs Jay smith. You have to watch the newest video then you will see the problem with the manuscripts.

The bible has been attacked for hundreds of years, we have answered those problems.
 
Jabar

Jabar

“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.”
Paul Chavez said:
There I new scholarly research that the Qur'an is not without corruption you may want to watch on you tube
Shabbir alley vs Jay smith. You have to watch the newest video then you will see the problem with the manuscripts.

The bible has been attacked for hundreds of years, we have answered those problems.
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I will check it out.
 
Jabar

Jabar

“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.”
Taylor Seraphim said:
Hate to tell you but most religions are not based on scripture.

Besides we can use science to tell how old an object is.
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Haha, you see. The exposure is a very very extreme level upon you.

I told you to give me a religious scripture that has this scientific evidence, and you could not.

You made a false accusation and were proven wrong.

Qur'an is completely divine.
 
Taylor Seraphim

Taylor Seraphim

Angel of Reason
Jabar said:
Exactly, which is very common in Christian belief.
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Incorrect.


Matthew 1:23 - “Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, “God with us.”

Isaiah 43:10,11 - “You are My witnesses,” says the Lord, “And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Savior.”

John 10:30-33 - Jesus answered them, “I and My Father are one.” Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”

etc.
 
Sundance

Sundance

pursuing the Divine Beloved
Premium Member
Taylor Seraphim said:
Truth by definition is objective.

You can have different opinions about what is true but truth does not change.
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Exactly. In my faith, it is taught that Truth is subjective in that the various interpretations differ according to the Messenger and culture, but objective in that the core is one and the same, unchanging.
 
EtuMalku

EtuMalku

Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
Jabar said:
The Qur'an never copied anything. It is divine, parts of the Bible are divine which is why they are similar to the Qur'an in a way. The Qur'an is the last revelation for mankind. Since people associate Jesus with God. The TRUE Christians were Muslims, Muslims and Christians are just names identified modernly because of the tampering of the Bible and how it is corrupted. Originally, Christians believed the same as Muslims did which was belief in One God and there were prophets plus do righteous deeds.

People made misconceptions and thought Jesus as God. So, essentially the Biblical scriptures are corrupted.

Islam existed when man set foot on earth. The beliefs were different in the past. They believed there is One God Allah as the TRUE Christians originally did. They also did righteous deeds, and followed the footsteps of prophets.

The tampering and misconceptions caused people to believe differently than the beliefs of Islam. There is only one REAL monotheistic religion, which is Islam which of course diversified. Other beliefs have been tampered by people.

Polytheistic beliefs are human made as well as idol worshipers.
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Look, you make the same mistake that many religious zealots do, you consider a faith based religion to be objectively real when it is nothing more than a subjective philosophy with no concrete evidence whatsoever. Now, no one is saying that having Faith is wrong, personally I find it delusional but that's me, everyone is entitled to their own Beliefs . . . the problem occurs when subjectivity is forced down another person's throat as objectivity simply because some book of Faith says so . . .
 
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