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Try to prove to me your religion.

Jabar

Jabar

“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.”
Taylor Seraphim said:
Incorrect.


Matthew 1:23 - “Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, “God with us.”

Isaiah 43:10,11 - “You are My witnesses,” says the Lord, “And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Savior.”

John 10:30-33 - Jesus answered them, “I and My Father are one.” Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”

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I never said the Bible says that.

I said it is a common Christian belief. The true Bible does not say Jesus claimed divinity. These are tampered verses. Now tell me this. Jesus never claimed divinity. People make misconceptions. If you say that then that means the Bible has contradictions.
(i) "My Father is greater than I."
[The Bible, John 14:28]

(ii) "My Father is greater than all."
[The Bible, John 10:29]

(iii) "…I cast out devils by the Spirit of God…."
[The Bible, Mathew 12:28]

(iv) "…I with the finger of God cast out devils…."
[The Bible, Luke 11:20]

(v) "I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgement is just; because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me."
[The Bible, John 5:30]


There is no single scriptural text in which Jesus claimed explicitly to be divine. Nor is there any implicit text, which can be interpreted exclusively to mean a claim of divinity.

 
Taylor Seraphim

Taylor Seraphim

Angel of Reason
DJ_sXe said:
Exactly. In my faith, it is taught that Truth is subjective in that the various interpretations differ according to the Messenger and culture, but objective in that the core is one and the same, unchanging.
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That defies one of the only two 100% certainties.

Something cannot be both itself and its opposite.
 
Jabar

Jabar

“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.”
EtuMalku said:
Look, you make the same mistake that many religious zealots do, you consider a faith based religion to be objectively real when it is nothing more than a subjective philosophy with no concrete evidence whatsoever. Now, no one is saying that having Faith is wrong, personally I find it delusional but that's me, everyone is entitled to their own Beliefs . . . the problem occurs when subjectivity is forced down another person's throat as objectivity simply because some book of Faith says so . . .
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That was Islam, and whoever called themselves Christians and had the same beliefs were Muslims. But when the Bible is corrupted, then a problem occurs. People believe in Jesus as God and things of such.

Islam has changed throughout time. You must believe in God and follow Muhammad, but TRUE christians would also go to heaven and get there reward from Allah, or God. Whatever you call the All-Mighty as long as it does not associate it with other things.
 
Taylor Seraphim

Taylor Seraphim

Angel of Reason
Jabar said:
I never said the Bible says that.

I said it is a common Christian belief. The true Bible does not say Jesus claimed divinity. These are tampered verses. Now tell me this. Jesus never claimed divinity. People make misconceptions. If you say that then that means the Bible has contradictions.
(i) "My Father is greater than I."
[The Bible, John 14:28]

(ii) "My Father is greater than all."
[The Bible, John 10:29]

(iii) "…I cast out devils by the Spirit of God…."
[The Bible, Mathew 12:28]

(iv) "…I with the finger of God cast out devils…."
[The Bible, Luke 11:20]

(v) "I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgement is just; because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me."
[The Bible, John 5:30]


There is no single scriptural text in which Jesus claimed explicitly to be divine. Nor is there any implicit text, which can be interpreted exclusively to mean a claim of divinity.
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Whats to say that the verses you quoted are not the tampered ones?

In reality it is because these are oral traditions that where told by people believing different things about what Yeshua (aka Jesus) was.
 
Taylor Seraphim

Taylor Seraphim

Angel of Reason
Jabar said:
That was Islam, and whoever called themselves Christians and had the same beliefs were Muslims. But when the Bible is corrupted, then a problem occurs. People believe in Jesus as God and things of such.

Islam has changed throughout time. You must believe in God and follow Muhammad, but TRUE christians would also go to heaven and get there reward from Allah, or God. Whatever you call the All-Mighty as long as it does not associate it with other things.
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If you quote his post then respond to it.
 
EtuMalku

EtuMalku

Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
Jabar said:
That was Islam, and whoever called themselves Christians and had the same beliefs were Muslims.
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Are you kidding me? Islam was conceived in the 7th century AD hundreds of years after Christianity and over a 1000 years after Judaism. The Quran states information AFTER the fact, anybody can do that. There is NOT one shred of evidence of Islamic thought or Muslim practice prior to the 7th century.

But when the Bible is corrupted, then a problem occurs. People believe in Jesus as God and things of such.
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Of course Christians believe in Christianity, just like Muslims believe in Islam . . . what is your point? Satanists believe in Satanism, Pastafarians believe in the Almighty Noodle Deity.

Islam has changed throughout time.
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I already stated that . . . of course it has changed over time, it's called editing in order to produce a clearer propaganda for the masses. Any TRUE word of an actual god would never need to be 'updated'. That alone places Islam in the FAIL category as for being proven.

You must believe in God and follow Muhammad, but TRUE christians would also go to heaven and get there reward from Allah, or God. Whatever you call the All-Mighty as long as it does not associate it with other things.
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Why 'MUST' I believe in God? I know you're going to explain why because your faith demands it in order to receive rewards and other unproven concepts . . . but why would I need to believe in this nonsense?
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Jabar

Jabar

“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.”
Jesus never died on cross, he was a prophet who never claimed divinity.

Hebrews 7:3: Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, resembling the Son of God, he remains a priest forever.
Jesus never claimed divinity

John 8:28-29:
So Jesus said, “When you have lifted up the Son of Man then you will know that I am he and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me.

Mark 10:18:
"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone.
 
EtuMalku

EtuMalku

Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
Jabar said:
Jesus never died on cross, he was a prophet who never claimed divinity.

Hebrews 7:3: Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, resembling the Son of God, he remains a priest forever.
Jesus never claimed divinity

John 8:28-29:
So Jesus said, “When you have lifted up the Son of Man then you will know that I am he and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me.

Mark 10:18:
"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone.
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If I write a new book about the Abrahamic faiths . . . can I quote from that for my evidence?
 
Jabar

Jabar

“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.”
EtuMalku said:
Look, you make the same mistake that many religious zealots do, you consider a faith based religion to be objectively real when it is nothing more than a subjective philosophy with no concrete evidence whatsoever. Now, no one is saying that having Faith is wrong, personally I find it delusional but that's me, everyone is entitled to their own Beliefs . . . the problem occurs when subjectivity is forced down another person's throat as objectivity simply because some book of Faith says so . . .
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No concrete evidence? You go find that information yourself as i always have to lay things out for you. The Qur'an is the greatest divine evidence. You just say faith is wrong, give me solid evidence that this is not the case.

I am sick and tired of giving evidence to you all the dang time and you downright say i do not provide evidence.

Qur'an being divine obviously does not tell lies, which is why i give you a taste of your own medicine to prove it is divine. Something divine does not tell lies.

You are blinded by todays society much. It is logical and evidential that belief in One God originated when man set foot on earth, as God created him (Adam) in heaven, then brought to Earth. Science nor archeology has the knowledge of such things.

Therefore, you are blinded by todays society and still cannot prove anything. I am proving you wrong.
 
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