Try to prove to me your religion.

[lovesong]

I've been following this thread all the way through and I don't know why you all still bother. You guys are trying to challenge someone who is so stubborn in their ways that they cannot even fathom the idea of being proven wrong and who clearly doesn't understand the idea of using any evidence outside of religious scripture. Neither of you are going to be able to get through this kind of mindset, and while I find it just as ridiculous as you do, no one will ever see any results for their efforts unfortunately.

I have faith because of truth.

Faith is defined as "strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof" whereas truth is defined as "that which is in accordance with fact or reality." For something to be truth it needs to be proven true, whereas faith does not. The two by definition do not go together.

I am sick and tired of giving evidence to you all the dang time and you downright say i do not provide evidence.

Qur'an being divine obviously does not tell lies, which is why i give you a taste of your own medicine to prove it is divine. Something divine does not tell lies.

Jabar, you have to understand that there are people who do not view your (or any) religious scripture as valid or truthful. You may believe they are wrong but if you want them to take you seriously and if you want to prove your point you need to use evidence from sources they accept. Just like they try to use scriptures to reason with you because that is what you accept, you need to use research to reason with them because that is what they accept.

As far as saying it is complete truth, how do you prove the biggest part; that there is one god? It may contain all the true science in the world but neither you, nor anyone, can objectively prove that there is one god. If someone does not believe in one god, nothing will be able to convince them that it is divine and completely true because that part cannot be proven.

In terms of the truth, the polytheistic women are are inferior to believing women.

Because that faith is the truth.

I just have to point out that these are the kind of things that we cannot do. We can't go claiming that our beliefs are objectively true, that is considered preaching, and we can't demean or insult people. This is just a little reminder to remember the rules.

 

[anonymous9887]

All of them mean the same, God. I do not care what name you use for God as long as it is not used inappropriately or used intentionally for insulting. Islam follows that there is One God and the final messenger is Muhammad peace be upon him. Of course, you have to do righteous beliefs and believe in the prophets before him like Jesus peace be upon him, Moses, etc.

Exactly "you" do not care but we must follow scripture. If Jesus and the torah used YHWH why does mohammed not even mention it once?

 

[Jabar]

I've been following this thread all the way through and I don't know why you all still bother. You guys are trying to challenge someone who is so stubborn in their ways that they cannot even fathom the idea of being proven wrong and who clearly doesn't understand the idea of using any evidence outside of religious scripture. Neither of you are going to be able to get through this kind of mindset, and while I find it just as ridiculous as you do, no one will ever see any results for their efforts unfortunately.



Faith is defined as "strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof" whereas truth is defined as "that which is in accordance with fact or reality." For something to be truth it needs to be proven true, whereas faith does not. The two by definition do not go together.



Jabar, you have to understand that there are people who do not view your (or any) religious scripture as valid or truthful. You may believe they are wrong but if you want them to take your seriously and if you want to prove your point you need to use evidence from sources they accept. Just like they try to use scriptures to reason with you because that is what you accept, you need to use research to reason with them because that is what they accept.

As far as saying it is complete truth, how do you prove the biggest part; that there is one god? It may contain all the true science in the world but you, nor anyone, can objectively prove that there is one god. If someone does not believe in one god, nothing will be able to convince them that it is divine and completely true because that part cannot be proven.




I just have to point out that these are the kind of things that we cannot do. We can't go claiming that our beliefs are objectively true, that is considered preaching, and we can't demean or insult people. This is just a little reminder to remember the rules.

Haha, there you are again. Welcome. Sister, i do not know if you have a grudge on me or something. Thanks for the notice, however you have misunderstood everything i have said.

You yourself should understand the fact that the evidence i provide is substantial.

I hold nothing against you, but may i kindly ask can you please stop bugging me about the same things when you have misunderstood everything i have stated?

I respect you 100% but you should not just pick point things and look at every things i have said in the past.

There are many other people who have said the same if not worse. Profanity has been used as well.

I will take this into consideration obviously. But be aware that scrolling through everything i have said and looking for a flaw that breaks ''rules'' a bit would not really be fair and kinda prejudice as others actions have broken the rules as well.

 

[anonymous9887]

All of them mean the same, God. I do not care what name you use for God as long as it is not used inappropriately or used intentionally for insulting. Islam follows that there is One God and the final messenger is Muhammad peace be upon him. Of course, you have to do righteous beliefs and believe in the prophets before him like Jesus peace be upon him, Moses, etc.

What you really have to check is this.
1. Where and when the copies of the manuscripts of the Qur'an came from. When you look at the recent scholarships that Jay smith provides, you will question in if you are a truthful person, because probably your whole life you were made to believe that the Qur'an is not corrupted.

 

[Raahim]

1. Allah like elohim, and theos is a title.
2. Exactly the pronunciation is not known and if you read Exodus 3:15 in the torah he says YHWH is his name for ever from generation to generation. So why didn't mohammed reveal it?
3. Even bible scholars claim god has many names but no where in the bible will you find I am all mighty that is my name, I am El gibbor that is my name. But you will find I am YHWH that is my name.

Don't some scholars claim that YHWH isn't an actual name but like a "sentence" meaning "I am who I am"? Something like that.
I won't go further in this topic since I'm not educated in it much and I'm satisfied with calling Him Allah & inshallah I will learn all 99 Names.

 

[anonymous9887]

Don't some scholars claim that YHWH isn't an actual name but like a "sentence" meaning "I am who I am"? Something like that.
I won't go further in this topic since I'm not educated in it much and I'm satisfied with calling Him Allah & inshallah I will learn all 99 Names.

Actually it is the meaning of gods name.
But that just goes to show how an objection is made and no answer is provided.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

Nothing bad is meant with this, but I'm surprised people still bother with this thread. As I said before, you can't prove religion to someone when that someone rejects all the evidence you give. It's apparently easier to say "Not good enough proof" and not think about it.

Really?

Because I think about it a lot.

I studied the Quran in the original Arabic.

Do you think about it?

 

[Jabar]

Exactly "you" do not care but we must follow scripture. If Jesus and the torah used YHWH why does mohammed not even mention it once?

It does not matter about the name, they mean the same thing. The definition of Allah says what Allah is and what Allah is not. Besides knowing what God is, it is also important what God is not. Prophet Jesus did not speak Arabic. Muhammad did speak Arabic. The languages are different. They all mean the same thing, God.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

Don't some scholars claim that YHWH isn't an actual name but like a "sentence" meaning "I am who I am"? Something like that.
I won't go further in this topic since I'm not educated in it much and I'm satisfied with calling Him Allah & inshallah I will learn all 99 Names.

His name actually means "I am. I am" is what those scholars where saying.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

It does not matter about the name, they mean the same thing. The definition of Allah says what Allah is and what Allah is not. Besides knowing what God is, it is also important what God is not. Prophet Jesus did not speak Arabic. Muhammad did speak Arabic. The languages are different. They all mean the same thing, God.

Seems like Allah made a name change for no reason.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

In my opinion and many others, he is the most influential person that every lived. Just because he did not visit does not mean anything, globally he is shown to acknowledge.

i do not care about your opnion.

Please there are several actual scholars whose effects are far more wide felt than your prophet.

 

[Raahim]

Seems like Allah made a name change for no reason.

He didn't change His name, He has many names.
Quran by some was written before its revelation to the Prophet ﷺ

 

[lovesong]

There are many other people who have said the same if not worse. Profanity has been used as well.

There is no rule regarding profanity if the words are bleeped. They were so it was no issue.

I hold nothing against you, but may i kindly ask can you please stop bugging me about the same things when you have misunderstood everything i have stated?

I was speaking to both you and the two who were challenging you, I'm not just picking on you, I'm pointing out that if you want to get through to people who don't accept your scripture you need to use sources they accept. How have I misunderstood everything you have said? I am just reading through the thread as it grows and noticed that the same kind of preaching continues, so I pointed it out very quickly and kindly at the end of a comment.

You yourself should understand the fact that the evidence i provide is substantial.

I'm curious why I myself should understand your evidence as substantial. I'm not being snarky here, I'm actually wondering why you think I would be more accepting of it.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

John 10:29 " the father is greater than all"
John 20:17 "your father and my father, your god and my god"
Ephesians 1:17 "the god of our Lord Jesus christ"

Isaiah 43:10,11 - “You are My witnesses,” says the Lord, “And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Savior.”


John 10:30-33 - Jesus answered them, “I and My Father are one.” Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”

 

[anonymous9887]

Seems like Allah made a name change for no reason.

Exactly. What he said is a poor example.
For example
Yeshua In hebrew
Jesus in English
Iesus in greek.
and so on

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

He didn't change His name, He has many names.
Quran by some was written before its revelation to the Prophet ﷺ

Why have many names?

Is it to confuse people or is it an excuse for why they did not all have the same name?

 

[Jabar]

There is no rule regarding profanity if the words are bleeped. They were so it was no issue.



I was speaking to both you and the two who were challenging you, I'm not just picking on you, I'm pointing out that if you want to get through to people who don't accept your scripture you need to use sources they accept. How have I misunderstood everything you have said? I am just reading through the thread as it grows and noticed that the same kind of preaching continues, so I pointed it out very quickly and kindly at the end of a comment.



I'm curious why I myself should understand your evidence as substantial. I'm not being snarky here, I'm actually wondering why you think I would be more accepting of it.

It is not that, there is something else you missed.

If you were talking to them to, then why direct the comments to me?

Haha, good try.

 

[Raahim]

Why have many names?

Is it to confuse people or is it an excuse for why they did not all have the same name?

Why not have many names? All the Names have a meaning, they aren't (as far as I know) like personal names, they are more to show His "nature" (Almighty, Most-Merciful, Most-Forgiving, etc.). Just because by human's law we can't have many names (not meaning like Jesus Miguel Gonzales) doesn't mean God can't have it, He can do everything.

 

[Jabar]

Buddha is not a god, are you dense?

Brother, when did i call Buddha a God?

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

Why not have many names? All the Names have a meaning, they aren't (as far as I know) like personal names, they are more to show His "nature" (Almighty, Most-Merciful, Most-Forgiving, etc.). Just because by human's law we can't have many names (not meaning like Jesus Miguel Gonzales) doesn't mean God can't have it, He can do everything.

I was not saying he could not because of some human laws.

I was asking why would he do that if he knew it would make people less likely to believe in his existence?