Try to prove to me your religion.

[FearGod]

There are facts about nature in a biology textbook.

Yes, but i believe that facts mentioned in the quran wasn't known for people at that period of time.

 

[columbus]

Ok if you agree with the idea that something can be eternal. Then why do you choose to believe that energy (which we have never seen be created or destroyed) is not eternal and a being you have no evidence exists is eternal?

It may well be that our perception of time as linear is a result of our limited ability. I'm not sure "eternal" is even relevant to God and reality.
Deism doesn't answer many questions.
Tom

 

[Unveiled Artist]

It is all religions.

But you must provide evidence for me to believe it.

Of course it's in all religions. Hit your elbow on the edge of a table (action=karma), that affect (pain) is thee result of that action (karma)

You're asking me to provide you evidence that hiting your elbow on the table brings you pain all because I use terminology you disagree with?

On the opposite side

If you have a mate, say (action=karma) I love you. Maybe you will get an I love you back (affect) that is a result of your statement. Maybe he/she smiles, gives you a hug, whatever. It's positive.

The pain isn't metaphorical nor is the pleasure. It's psychological and it's neurological. It's from the mind.

Your pain cannot be pain without the nerves sending pain signals to your brain to translate it as so.

Your pleasure cannot be pleasure without the biological and psychological relations you make that makes a smile worth your time of saying I love you.

This is all common sense. Why do you need evidence to show you something you can do alone?'

It's life.

 

[Corthos]

Ok, so you are saying that truth is subjective?

Not exactly. There is truth in the world, that much is obvious. There are a thousand voices out there saying "Listen to me! I know the truth!"... And many of them do. They are only snippets of truth, however. Incomplete truths, or biased truths that only show one side. The best religion, or philosophy, will enable you to better sift through those truths, and disregard the lies and bias; the only way you can do that is with worldly knowledge. Conscience to guide, (objective) learning and knowledge to discern, and ideological direction to best apply it to your life. That last bit there is where the religion kicks in... But it better fit together with the first two stipulations, and it better not conflict with who you are as a person.

Truth itself is not subjective, but the ways to FIND and USE that truth are. The one I've discovered and have been delving into lately fits me, as it encourages the use of that knowledge to better those around me, while empowering myself as an individual. =)

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

I just get a feeling that some things are good for goodness sakes.

Why does that require the bible?

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

It is based on facts. Karma means actions. It isn't magic. Say you do something like giving without expectations. What will you receive in return (what effect does that create) a smile? A thank you? Maybe you are aware of better relations throughout your day. It makes you see things clearly by the deeds you consider good. It affects you psychologically (by the mind). It's scientific, if you like.

Karma is the affect from the causes you make. It is nothing special.

Good deeds do not always lead to good things happening to you.

That is why Karma is untrue and thus by extension any religion or philosophy that believes in that concept.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

Of course it's in all religions. Hit your elbow on the edge of a table (action=karma), that affect (pain) is thee result of that action (karma)

You're asking me to provide you evidence that hiting your elbow on the table brings you pain all because I use terminology you disagree with?

On the opposite side

If you have a mate, say (action=karma) I love you. Maybe you will get an I love you back (affect) that is a result of your statement. Maybe he/she smiles, gives you a hug, whatever. It's positive.

The pain isn't metaphorical nor is the pleasure. It's psychological and it's neurological. It's from the mind.

Your pain cannot be pain without the nerves sending pain signals to your brain to translate it as so.

Your pleasure cannot be pleasure without the biological and psychological relations you make that makes a smile worth your time of saying I love you.

This is all common sense. Why do you need evidence to show you something you can do alone?'

It's life.

Because good action =/= good results for you like karma claims.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

Not exactly. There is truth in the world, that much is obvious. There are a thousand voices out there saying "Listen to me! I know the truth!"... And many of them do. They are only snippets of truth, however. Incomplete truths, or biased truths that only show one side. The best religion, or philosophy, will enable you to better sift through those truths, and disregard the lies and bias; the only way you can do that is with worldly knowledge. Conscience to guide, (objective) learning and knowledge to discern, and ideological direction to best apply it to your life. That last bit there is where the religion kicks in... But it better fit together with the first two stipulations, and it better not conflict with who you are as a person.

Truth itself is not subjective, but the ways to FIND and USE that truth are. The one I've discovered and have been delving into lately fits me, as it encourages the use of that knowledge to better those around me, while empowering myself as an individual. =)

Ideological direction is a bias. Your premise is contradictory.

 

[Corthos]

Ideological direction is a bias. Your premise is contradictory.

Hmmm... That is true. Some biases aren't so bad, however.

For example, not killing children seems like a pretty acceptable bias to have.

Nothing is completely unbiased. That is why you need to be able to live with the bias your religion has. (and where the conscience kicks in)

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

Hmmm... That is true. Some biases aren't so bad, however.

For example, not killing children seems like a pretty acceptable bias to have.

Nothing is completely unbiased. That is why you need to be able to live with the bias your religion has. (and where the conscience kicks in)

That is not a bias, that is a lack of action coming from a conclusion.

I would say that logic is unbiased.

So if my religion where logical it would be unbiased.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

Look at us go we are already past 100 posts, I must say I am enjoying this thread.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Good deeds do not always lead to good things happening to you.

That is why Karma is untrue and thus by extension any religion or philosophy that believes in that concept.

That's an expectation that what you do/karma would bring good or bad results. Take out the expectations, create good karma (rather than kill people, for example), and live the results life gives you. If you learn how to deal with things like death, sickness, age, etc then you are well on your way to being one hundred percent at peace. Life doesn't work that way. Our actions/karma flucuates. The results are cannot be predicted.

How you are speaking is like another person blaming god for their troubles. Life doesn't work that way in either case.

Regardless if I put religious terms to it or not.

 

[Corthos]

That is not a bias, that is a lack of action coming from a conclusion.

I would say that logic is unbiased.

So if my religion where logical it would be unbiased.

Agreed. =)

It's going to be difficult finding a provable religion without bias. XD Any candidates so far that interest you?

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

Agreed. =)

It's going to be difficult finding a provable religion without bias. XD Any candidates so far that interest you?

Nope, which makes me lean towards agnosticism.

 

[Corthos]

Nope, which makes me lean towards agnosticism.

Hmmm... The unknowable deity variety, or the "I don't know" variety? =)

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Because good action =/= good results for you like karma claims.

Karma=Actions

Law=Cause and affect

For very cause/action/karma you do is whatever result/affect you get.

In Buddhism, from the school I study from each is different, we believe that doing good things (as in the suttras) brings us good results.

It is not an expectation that good results will happen. It is not like god where he promises god results from good prayers. We just believe when you do good things, good things come back.

If good things don't come back, that is life. How I see it is that that is not a result of my good deed but a result of probably bad deeds I made in the past. I don't associate good with bad and bad with good.

Actually, I shouldn't even compare them at all because they are all one Law: one Lotus. They relate to each other. We question life; that's normal. Why question others who try to define life in order to live it well.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

That's an expectation that what you do/karma would bring good or bad results. Take out the expectations, create good karma (rather than kill people, for example), and live the results life gives you. If you learn how to deal with things like death, sickness, age, etc then you are well on your way to being one hundred percent at peace. Life doesn't work that way. Our actions/karma flucuates. The results are cannot be predicted.

How you are speaking is like another person blaming god for their troubles. Life doesn't work that way in either case.

Regardless if I put religious terms to it or not.

So you are saying Karma = Good makes good happen to you but you cannot tell it.

And I can say that if you eat a taco an alien dies with the same amount of plausibility.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

Hmmm... The unknowable deity variety, or the "I don't know" variety? =)

Agnosticism is: Does not have any evidence for the existence of a deity or deities so does not believe in them until there is.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

Karma=Actions

Law=Cause and affect

For very cause/action/karma you do is whatever result/affect you get.

In Buddhism, from the school I study from each is different, we believe that doing good things (as in the suttras) brings us good results.

It is not an expectation that good results will happen. It is not like god where he promises god results from good prayers. We just believe when you do good things, good things come back.

If good things don't come back, that is life. How I see it is that that is not a result of my good deed but a result of probably bad deeds I made in the past. I don't associate good with bad and bad with good.

Actually, I shouldn't even compare them at all because they are all one Law: one Lotus. They relate to each other. We question life; that's normal. Why question others who try to define life in order to live it well.

Ok, you can say otherwise all you want but I know for a fact that good people do not always get good lives.

And if good actions do not always mean good for you the principle of karma is useless.

 

[Corthos]

Agnosticism is: Does not have any evidence for the existence of a deity or deities so does not believe in them until there is.

Hmmm... Sounds more like atheism to me. I thought agnosticism was more of a passive "not knowing, so won't make assumptions" kind of thing. =/