Try to prove to me your religion.

[prometheus11]

Energy goes with matter in motion, something still had to set the matter in motion.

Why? Have you ever witnessed this occur? Since there is ZERO evidence for a prime mover and infinite regression, aren't they equally preposterous and plausible?

Actually agnosticism is the stance that we do not have or possibly have means of attaining evidence for god, and so you remain neutral. Your definition is atheism.

Agnosticism/Gnosticism deal with spiritual knowledge. Atheism/theism deal with belief. Everyone is gnostic or agnostic. All those people are theist or atheist.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

2 Tim 3:16, 17....
"All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, 17 so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work."

"All scripture" was initially the Hebrew scriptures, quoted by Jesus and his apostles, but it came to include the Greek scriptures to make up the complete word of God. The Greek scriptures are also inspired of God and contain the teachings of Jesus Christ, without which we would know nothing about him or his apostles.

No holy book has survived as long and been preserved as accurately as the Bible. The Dead Sea Scrolls proved that this was true. Despite all attempts to destroy it, it is still here and instructing right hearted people all over the world, just as God intended.



His firstborn son...his Master Worker. (Prov 8:22, 30, 31) The one "through whom" creation came. (Col 1:15, 16)

Egyptian stuff like the Book of the Dead has been around for way longer and we can all read it now.

 

[dewaynewinn]

For me when I got old enough to realize that death was a thing a huge thing in life I started looking for answers ! I didn't want to think people just went back to the earth and that was it ! So I started with Christianity ! I started to read the bible and following people who held same interest ,the more I got into it the more complex and unexplainable it became ,then I learned what the word faith really meant and started to see how it worked ! God has never spoke thru me or to me as far as I know but I have seen it in people's lives ,I have seen it in the Muslim world the budist world in just about all facets of religion ,people want to know ! Where did it begin and where does it in ,and I choose to believe ( faith ) that I didn't come from a mistake a chance a explosion and some goo! And I choose to believe my loved ones and friends and humans go to heaven ! So basically you choose what your mind tells you what exactly the proof you need in a faith based scenario !

 

[1137]

Egyptian stuff like the Book of the Dead has been around for way longer and we can all read it now.

Pyramid texts are even older, the oldest recorded scripture!

 

[Etritonakin]

Please try to prove to me your religion is true.

Jas 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

The same should be obviously true for anyone.

The rest will be seen to be true in time.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Jas 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

The same should be obviously true for anyone.

The rest will be seen to be true in time.

It isnt true for everyone. I know some that never heard of the christian god. Is there another way you can prove your religion is true that the tenants of your faith apply to everyone with their knowledge-like gravity to cause/effect?

 

[Thief]

Since all of us have limited time, can you give any reason why reading the Bible is more likely to lead to "the Truth" than reading:

- the Quran
- the Bhagavad Gita
- the Guru Granth Sahib
- the Tao Te Ching
- a Book of Five Rings
- The Principia Discordia, or
- Moby Dick

I like Star Trek
there is a LOT of theology behind the plot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Thief]

movement...is evidence of a Prime Mover

 

[prometheus11]

movement...is evidence of a Prime Mover

Correct. It is equal evidence of infinite regression.

 

[Thief]

Correct. It is equal evidence of infinite regression.

regression stops....at the beginning
check Genesis
check singularity

 

[prometheus11]

regression stops....at the beginning
check Genesis
check singularity

Not accepted. Sufficient reason not provided.

 

[Deeje]

Since all of us have limited time, can you give any reason why reading the Bible is more likely to lead to "the Truth" than reading:

- the Quran
- the Bhagavad Gita
- the Guru Granth Sahib
- the Tao Te Ching
- a Book of Five Rings
- The Principia Discordia, or
- Moby Dick

None of those works are a product of holy spirit. The Bible is.
None of those works contain prophesies written sometimes hundreds or even thousands of years before they happened. The Bible does.
None of the people to whom those works were written were God's people. The ancient Jews were, and now the true Christians are.
None of those works contain God's wisdom. The Bible does.

Do you have to believe this....NO! But those who know the true God, or more importantly, are known by him, have faith in his promises, recorded in his instruction manual. You can too, but God will not force himself on anyone against their will. What we accept as truth will determine the length of our future, because our future is not in our own hands. It is in the hands of the Creator who had a purpose in putting us here on planet earth in the first place. Unless we conform to his requirements for life, we will not be permitted to keep it.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

If I may.

None of those works are a product of holy spirit. The Bible is.

This is a belief confirmed only by its own text (circular reasoning) and its believers. The Truth is a fact. Anyone of those books makes the claim of priority over other books.

None of those works contain prophesies written sometimes hundreds or even thousands of years before they happened. The Bible does.

This is a belief. The Lotus Sutra and Gosho predicted worse things will happen in future ages. The Buddha's prophecies are true as well as his advocate's.

This is not a good fact to use in a debate. The Bible is not the only book that holds promises came true.

None of the people to whom those works were written were God's people. The ancient Jews were, and now the true Christians are.

This is true. Its not a good argument since you are debating from a limited point of view.

None of those works contain God's wisdom. The Bible does.

Same as above. You have to use facts not personal beliefs. Half those books dont even mention god. That does not make it less true than the first, second, and Bible which does mention god.

 

[prometheus11]

None of those works are a product of holy spirit. The Bible is.
None of those works contain prophesies written sometimes hundreds or even thousands of years before they happened. The Bible does.
None of the people to whom those works were written were God's people. The ancient Jews were, and now the true Christians are.
None of those works contain God's wisdom. The Bible does.

Do you have to believe this....NO! But those who know the true God, or more importantly, are known by him, have faith in his promises, recorded in his instruction manual. You can too, but God will not force himself on anyone against their will. What we accept as truth will determine the length of our future, because our future is not in our own hands. It is in the hands of the Creator who had a purpose in putting us here on planet earth in the first place. Unless we conform to his requirements for life, we will not be permitted to keep it.

Not accepted. Grand assertion

 

[Etritonakin]

It isnt true for everyone. I know some that never heard of the christian god. Is there another way you can prove your religion is true that the tenants of your faith apply to everyone with their knowledge-like gravity to cause/effect?

I meant that doing good and avoiding evil is obviously true for everyone -not that the existence of "the Father" is obviously true for everyone.

Good and evil can generally be discerned by our experience.

 

[Deeje]

Faith is required to believe....some have faith...others don't.

For the believer, no proof is necessary...for the unbeliever, no proof is enough.

We must each follow what is in our own hearts, since that is where the true self is.

 

[ChristineES]

Please try to prove to me your religion is true.

I doubt I could prove it to you, even if I had the most compelling evidence.

 

[Neo Deist]

Please try to prove to me your religion is true.

Truth is a matter of perception. I believe, therefore it is true.

 

[Yoshua]

Please try to prove to me your religion is true.

Hi Taylor,

Jesus said, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me.

I believed in Him because He is the only Son of God sent by God because of His love for us. He is the one and only who claimed coming from the Father (God ) in heaven.

Thanks

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

None of those works are a product of holy spirit. The Bible is.

How do you know? What is it about, say, the Tao Te Ching that suggested to you that it is not a product of the Holy Spirit?

None of those works contain prophesies written sometimes hundreds or even thousands of years before they happened. The Bible does.

I've heard people make this claim before, but it always falls apart when we look at the details.

Can you give an example of a verifiably fulfilled prophecy in the Bible? Try to give your best-supported example; that way, if it doesn't clear the bar, then we won't have to worry about the other prophecy claims.

None of the people to whom those works were written were God's people. The ancient Jews were, and now the true Christians are.

Seems disputable.

None of those works contain God's wisdom. The Bible does.

Again: how do you know? What about, say, Moby Dick suggests to you that it doesn't contain "God's wisdom"? I've read it - there's some pretty wise stuff in it. What is it about Moby Dick that suggests to you that it's less wise than the Bible? Please be specific.

Do you have to believe this....NO! But those who know the true God, or more importantly, are known by him, have faith in his promises, recorded in his instruction manual. You can too, but God will not force himself on anyone against their will. What we accept as truth will determine the length of our future, because our future is not in our own hands. It is in the hands of the Creator who had a purpose in putting us here on planet earth in the first place. Unless we conform to his requirements for life, we will not be permitted to keep it.

This seems like an argument from the consequences of a belief. You should know that I won't accept a position that needs a logical fallacy to support it... not even a logical fallacy with empty threats.